Kash Patel’s job right now

Kash Patel is the 9th Director of the FBI, sworn in February 20, 2025, per the FBI’s own leadership page. (Federal Bureau of Investigation)
That means he runs the Bureau’s operations and sets priorities for investigations and internal administration.

His Trump Media business ties (hard, citable facts)

1) Patel is a Trump Media (TMTG) director

Trump Media’s SEC filings state Kash Patel has been a director since March 25, 2024 (and was also a director of the private pre-merger TMTG before that). (SEC)

2) Trump Media disclosed payments / balances to Patel’s company

TMTG’s SEC filings disclose “Trishul is owned by Kashyap ‘Kash’ Patel” and include related-party balance disclosure regarding Trishul. (SEC)

What the TMTG–TAE (Tri Alpha) merger is supposed to do

TAE Technologies is the fusion company formerly known as Tri Alpha Energy. (So you’ll see “Tri Alpha” used in older references.) (American Nuclear Society)

TAE’s announcement says that after closing, Trump Media & Technology Group will be the holding company for:

  • Truth Social, Truth+ / Truth.Fi, TAE, TAE Power Solutions, and TAE Life Sciences, etc. (tae.com)

They also say the deal is expected to close mid-2026, subject to shareholder and regulatory approvals. (tae.com)

Where potential conflicts of interest can arise (plain English)

This is the basic “conflict” logic—without accusing anyone of crimes:

A) FBI Director + director of a public company

If the FBI Director has board duties/compensation with a public company, there can be concerns about:

  • Investigations: whether FBI decisions could appear influenced if the company, its execs, investors, or counterparties become subjects/witnesses in investigations.

  • Regulatory/approval environment: mergers can involve regulatory touchpoints; even if the FBI isn’t the primary merger regulator, the Bureau can intersect with national security / background / fraud / corruption investigations generally.

Your safe VMAG wording:

“Because the FBI Director is also a director of a publicly traded company, ethics questions can arise about whether recusal or firewalls are needed for matters that could affect that company or its stakeholders.”

B) Merger into fusion/energy tech increases “government-facing” exposure

TAE’s own materials and other coverage frame the merger as moving toward utility-scale fusion development and related business lines. (tae.com)
That kind of sector often intersects with:

  • federal permitting / contracts / grants,

  • infrastructure security,

  • export controls and foreign investment scrutiny (depending on specifics).

Again: not proof of wrongdoing—just why people talk about “conflict risk.”

Ultra-simple “5th grader vs adult” explainer you can paste into VMAG

5th grader:

  • Kash Patel is the boss of the FBI.

  • He also helps run a company (Trump Media) as a board member.

  • If the FBI ever has to look at something connected to that company, people worry it might not feel fair—so grown-ups talk about rules like “step aside from that decision.”

Adult:

  • Patel is FBI Director (since Feb 20, 2025). (Federal Bureau of Investigation)

  • SEC filings show he’s a TMTG director and that TMTG discloses related-party items tied to Trishul (owned by Patel). (SEC)

  • TMTG has a signed merger agreement with TAE (Tri Alpha), with a stated post-close holding-company structure and a mid-2026 target subject to approvals. (tae.com)

  • That creates potential appearance/conflict questions if FBI matters touch the company, its executives, or deal counterparties—raising the importance of recusals/firewalls.

If you want, tell me whether your VMAG timeline needs date-stamped entries (bullet timeline style), or a one-page “conflict map” (boxes/arrows: Patel ⇄ FBI, Patel ⇄ TMTG, TMTG ⇄ TAE).

A couple of key corrections first, then I’ll explain “what happens to the businesses,” plus give you poll/survey ideas and a 5th-grader vs adult teaching format.

1) Quick fact-check: “Casper Chow” + “purchased TriAlpha”

I couldn’t find any credible, citable source tying a Casper Chow to Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG) leadership, the TAE deal, or an acquisition structure. (If you have a link or screenshot where you saw Casper Chow listed, paste it and I’ll verify it.)

Also: Trump Media did not “purchase Tri Alpha.” What’s publicly announced is a merger between Trump Media & Technology Group and TAE Technologies (formerly called Tri Alpha Energy). (Reuters)

2) What happens to the businesses in a merger like this?

5th grader version

  • Imagine two big LEGO castles decide to connect into one super-castle.

  • Nobody “disappears” overnight. They usually keep their names (Truth Social, TAE, etc.) but now they’re owned by the same “parent” castle.

  • People who own pieces of the old castles (shareholders) get new pieces in the super-castle after votes and approvals.

Adult version (what actually happens)

  • Structure: The companies have said that after closing, TMTG will become a holding company for Truth Social/Truth+ (and other TMTG products) and also for TAE and its related units (e.g., TAE Power Solutions, TAE Life Sciences). (tae.com)

  • Approvals: The merger is expected mid-2026, but only if it clears shareholder votes and regulatory approvals (and other “customary closing conditions”). (tae.com)

  • What happens day-to-day: Typically, each business continues operating as a subsidiary; finance, legal, HR, and strategy often get centralized at the holding-company level.

3) Conflicts of interest / national security angle (and Epstein Transparency Act delays)

What’s documented about potential conflicts

  • Trump’s stake in TMTG was moved into a revocable trust (with Trump as beneficiary; Don Jr. as trustee controlling voting/investment decisions). (Reuters)

  • Multiple outlets and ethics experts have raised conflict-of-interest concerns about a sitting president having a major financial interest in a company expanding into a heavily regulated sector that may depend on government policy, approvals, and funding. (Engineering News-Record)

Epstein Files Transparency Act: what’s happening

  • The Epstein Files Transparency Act became law Nov. 19, 2025. (Congress)

  • As of January 2026, major outlets report DOJ has released only a small fraction and is citing redaction/review needs; lawmakers have pushed back, and a judge said they can’t use Maxwell’s criminal case to force the release (but could sue separately / use oversight). (TIME)

How to phrase the “neglect” claim safely in your VMAG

Instead of “they’re neglecting,” use:

“Lawmakers and survivors say DOJ compliance has been too slow since the Act’s deadline, while DOJ says victim-protection redactions require time.”

That’s strong, accurate, and defensible. (TIME)

4) Polls & surveys you can embed (Transparency VMAG style)

A. Merger / conflict-of-interest polls

  1. “Should a sitting President be allowed to benefit financially from a publicly traded company in regulated sectors?”

  • Yes / No / Only with blind trust / Not sure

  1. “Should an independent ethics monitor review major federal approvals impacting companies tied to elected officials?”

  • Yes / No / Only for certain agencies

B. Epstein Transparency Act polls

  1. “Should the DOJ publish a public ‘release tracker’ (pages processed, redaction count, remaining volume) weekly?”

  • Yes / No

  1. “Should Congress add enforcement teeth (deadlines + penalties) to transparency laws like this?”

  • Yes / No / Depends

C. “Teach-back” survey (engagement booster)

  • “After reading this VMAG, can you explain the merger in one sentence?”

    • I can / I’m unsure / I need the kid version again

5) Your “side-by-side” teaching format (copy/paste template)

Kid Mode (5th grade):

  • What it is:

  • Who owns what after:

  • What people vote on:

  • Why people worry about conflicts:

Adult Mode:

  • Deal type (merger vs acquisition):

  • Closing conditions (shareholders/regulators):

  • Post-close structure (holding co + subs):

  • Ethics risk (regulatory dependence + financial interest):

  • Transparency issue (Act deadlines + DOJ delay explanation):

If you paste your timeline section where you mention TriAlpha/TAE + Epstein Transparency Act, I’ll insert a clean “Merger + Ethics + Transparency” module in your VMAG voice (with citations) and keep the “kid/adult” layers aligned line-by-line.

Here’s the clean fact-check, based on SEC filings and mainstream financial reporting.

Kash Patel’s business relationship with Trump / Trump Media (TMTG)

1) He’s been a Trump Media board director

  • SEC filings state Kashyap “Kash” Patel has been a director of TMTG since March 25, 2024, and was previously a director of the private (pre-merger) TMTG. (SEC)

2) Trump Media paid Patel’s consulting company (“Trishul”)

  • TMTG’s quarterly filings disclose payments to Trishul, and explicitly state “Trishul is owned by Kashyap ‘Kash’ Patel.” (SEC)

  • Example disclosure language and amounts appear in the 10-Q excerpts above (paid to Trishul over reporting periods). (SEC)

3) He received Trump Media stock as board compensation (restricted shares)

  • Multiple outlets, citing SEC filings (Form 4), reported Patel received 25,946 restricted shares (worth roughly ~$800k around the time reported) as a stock award for board service. (Politico)

So yes: Patel and Trump are linked through a formal business relationship via Trump Media board membership + compensation + related-party consulting payments disclosed to the SEC. (SEC)

Does Patel have investments in “TriAlpha Energy” / TAE Technologies?

A few key facts first:

  • Tri Alpha Energy is the former name for what is now TAE Technologies (fusion company). (New York Post)

  • In December 2025, Trump Media announced a plan to merge with TAE Technologies in a multibillion-dollar deal (press coverage varies, but the “TMTG + TAE merger” is widely reported). (The Guardian)

What I did not find in credible sources:

  • Any SEC filing, financial disclosure excerpt, or reputable investigative report showing Kash Patel personally owns equity in TAE / Tri Alpha (outside of any indirect exposure he might get if he holds TMTG shares and TMTG merges with TAE). I can’t verify “Patel invested in TriAlpha/TAE” as a standalone claim from the public record in the sources above.

What you can safely say in your VMAG:

  • “Patel has a disclosed business relationship with Trump Media (board role, stock awards, and payments to his firm Trishul). If Trump Media completes its merger with TAE (formerly Tri Alpha), any TMTG equity holders could become indirectly exposed to the combined entity—however, there is no clear public documentation that Patel separately invested in TAE/Tri Alpha outside of TMTG.” (SEC)

Extra context you may want to include (conflicts / disclosures)

Some reporting also focused on Patel’s disclosed holdings and outside income (including scrutiny of holdings connected to Shein’s parent structure), which is relevant if you’re building a “money / influence” timeline. (WIRED)

If you want, paste the exact timeline section you’re building and I’ll insert a “TMTG money trail” mini-module (board → Trishul payments → stock awards → TAE merger link) with only hard-citable statements.

### Comprehensive Timeline: Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, Arrests, Prosecutors, Allegations, and Mar-a-Lago Connections

This timeline integrates key events from Jeffrey Epstein's life, criminal cases, and prosecutions with his relationships to Donald Trump and Steve Bannon. It includes first meetings, arrests, prosecutors involved, allegations (including those mirroring Epstein's crimes, such as sexual misconduct involving minors), and Mar-a-Lago ties. Based on verified reports, books (e.g., Michael Wolff's recordings where Epstein claims intimate details about Trump), and public records, it highlights how these elements intersect. Note: Epstein's crimes involved sex trafficking and abuse of minors; Trump's and Bannon's associations have been scrutinized but not led to charges against them in Epstein's cases.<post:50</post><post:52</post><post:59</post>

- **January 20, 1953**: Jeffrey Epstein is born in Brooklyn, New York. He later becomes a financier with ties to elites, including future presidents and business moguls.

- **Late 1980s (circa 1987-1989)**: Donald Trump first meets Epstein in Palm Beach, Florida, where both own properties (Trump buys Mar-a-Lago in 1985). Trump later tells *New York* magazine in 2002 that he's known Epstein for "15 years," dating their friendship to around 1987. They socialize frequently, with Epstein visiting Mar-a-Lago. In Michael Wolff's 2017 recordings (detailed in his books and podcast), Epstein claims he was Trump's "closest friend for 10 years" during this period, alleging Trump enjoyed "f---ing the wives of his best friends" and had scalp reduction surgery. Epstein also claims Trump first had sex with Melania Knauss (future wife) on his plane, dubbed the "Lolita Express." Trump has denied close ties post-fallout.

- **1990s**: Trump and Epstein party together at Mar-a-Lago and elsewhere. Flight logs show Trump flies on Epstein's jet multiple times (at least seven between 1993-1997), sometimes with family. Epstein recruits victims at Mar-a-Lago, including Virginia Giuffre (recruited in 1999 as a "spa attendant" at age 16). Allegations emerge that Epstein uses Mar-a-Lago to target young women; spa workers (often teens/young adults) are sent to Epstein's nearby mansion for "massages," where he exposes himself or propositions them. A 1994 allegation (unproven) in FBI files claims Trump and Epstein raped a 13-year-old girl, who later died suspiciously (ruled suicide). Another tip alleges Trump paid to abuse a trafficked 13-year-old, present when her baby was killed. Trump denies all; no charges filed. These mirror Epstein's crimes of abusing minors.<post:50</post><post:52</post>

- **1996**: Artist Maria Farmer reports Epstein's abuse to the FBI (twice in late August), but no investigation opens until 2006. This delay highlights early law enforcement failures.

- **1998**: Epstein buys Little St. James island, later dubbed "Pedophile Island," where much abuse occurs.

- **February 2000**: Trump, Epstein, Melania Knauss, and Ghislaine Maxwell (Epstein's accomplice) pose together at Mar-a-Lago.

- **2002**: Trump praises Epstein in *New York* magazine: "Terrific guy... likes beautiful women... many on the younger side."

- **2003**: Maxwell compiles a birthday book for Epstein's 50th, including Trump and others. Epstein is banned from Mar-a-Lago spa after pressuring an 18-year-old worker for sex; Trump agrees to the ban after a manager's report. Spa staff had warned about Epstein's behavior (exposing himself). This follows years of Mar-a-Lago facilitating Epstein's access to young women.<post:54</post>

- **November 2004**: Trump and Epstein feud over a Palm Beach mansion bidding war, straining ties.

- **March 2005**: Palm Beach police investigate Epstein after a 14-year-old reports molestation at his mansion. This launches his first major case.

- **May 23, 2006**: FBI opens "Operation Leap Year" into Epstein after Farmer's 1996 reports and new evidence.

- **July 19, 2006**: Palm Beach grand jury indicts Epstein on one felony solicitation charge.

- **October 2007**: Epstein is barred from Mar-a-Lago entirely after harassing a member's teenage daughter. Trump later claims he banned Epstein for "stealing" young spa workers. Mar-a-Lago registry shows Epstein's account closed.<post:50</post><post:52</post><post:54</post>

- **June 30, 2008**: Under U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta (later Trump's Labor Secretary), Epstein pleads guilty to state charges of solicitation and solicitation of a minor, serving 13 months with work release. The non-prosecution agreement draws criticism for leniency, shielding co-conspirators. This deal delays federal action.

- **2010**: Trump and Bannon first meet via David Bossie.

- **2015**: Bannon unofficially advises Trump's campaign launch, positioning Breitbart as pro-Trump.

- **2016**: "Katie Johnson" lawsuit alleges Trump raped her at 13 in 1994 at an Epstein party; withdrawn due to threats. Michael Cohen (Trump's fixer) later mentions handling an underage allegation. Trump wins election; Bannon becomes campaign CEO in August.

- **January-August 2017**: Bannon serves as White House Chief Strategist, clashing with others. Ousted in August.

- **August 2017**: Wolff interviews Epstein at his Manhattan townhouse for *Fire and Fury*; Epstein discusses Trump White House inner workings and their past friendship.

- **December 2017**: Steve Bannon first meets Epstein, post-White House. They bond over media strategy; Bannon advises Epstein on reputation rehab amid scrutiny. Bannon films ~15 hours for a documentary ("The Monsters") framing Epstein as exposing elites, but sources say it's to "redeem" him. Epstein claims Trump knows of their collaboration. A photo of Trump and Maxwell is found on Bannon's phone (taken during Trump's presidency).<post:55</post><post:57</post><post:59</post><post:63</post><post:65</post>

- **January 2018**: Bannon fallout with Trump over *Fire and Fury* quotes; Trump calls him "Sloppy Steve." Bannon apologizes.

- **February 24, 2018**: Bannon emails Epstein about political contacts, deepening ties.

- **2018**: Bannon visits Epstein's mansion often, films documentary footage. Bannon helps Epstein with media training to deny pedophilia. Epstein arranges jet travel for Bannon. Partial reconciliation between Bannon and Trump.<post:55</post><post:63</post>

- **September 2018**: Bannon interviews claim documentary exposes Epstein's "perversions" enabled by elites, but it's seen as rehab effort.

- **Pre-July 2019**: Bannon records 15 hours with Epstein; filming ends just before arrest. Bannon thought Epstein was a "spy" for access to espionage circles.<post:55</post><post:59</post><post:63</post>

- **July 6, 2019**: Epstein arrested on federal sex-trafficking charges by SDNY under U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman. Charges cover 2002-2005 abuses. Acosta resigns amid backlash.

- **August 10, 2019**: Epstein dies by suicide in jail.

- **August 2020**: Bannon arrested for "We Build the Wall" fraud.

- **July 2, 2020**: Ghislaine Maxwell arrested; sentenced to 20 years in 2022 for aiding Epstein.<post:57</post><post:65</post>

- **2021**: Bannon mentions unreleased Epstein footage. Trump pardons Bannon on last day in office (January 19). Bannon defies Jan. 6 subpoena.<post:59</post>

- **2022**: Bannon convicted of contempt of Congress.

- **2024**: Bannon serves prison time (July-October), then boosts Trump's campaign. Bannon releases Epstein trailer, promises series.

- **July 15, 2025**: Epstein Transparency Act (H.R. 4405) introduced, requiring DOJ file release.

- **November 2025**: Bill passes, signed by Trump. DOJ misses December deadline, releasing partial files amid cover-up claims. Files include FBI tips mirroring allegations against Trump.

- **December 2025-January 2026**: Partial releases fuel theories. X discussions highlight Bannon's Epstein ties, Trump's Mar-a-Lago ban as "decisive," but critics note delays in action. Cohen in 2025 interview confirms handling underage claims for Trump. As of January 2026, full files remain incomplete; Bannon advises Trump informally.<post:50</post><post:52</post><post:54</post><post:55</post><post:57</post><post:59</post><post:63</post><post:65</post>

VMAG • Epstein Transparency + Space Relations
A filterable, evidence-first timeline connecting key case milestones, prosecutors, media figures, and public-record transparency.
Publishing guardrails: Verified facts are labeled Verified. Disputed/uncorroborated material is labeled Claim/Allegation. Avoid doxxing and protect survivors’ privacy.
Transparency Act • What it does (at a glance)
  • Public Law 119–38 (Nov. 19, 2025) requires DOJ to release Epstein-related records and publish reporting on what is released/withheld and why.
  • DOJ hosts releases on the “Epstein Library” and a DOJ Disclosures index.
  • As of January 2026, reports indicate the majority of materials remain unreleased after the statutory deadline; lawmakers have discussed litigation/oversight options.
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Timeline Filters
1953-01-20 • Jeffrey Epstein born (Verified)
Born in Brooklyn, NY. (Biographical baseline.)
1996 • Maria Farmer reports Epstein/Maxwell to law enforcement (Verified report event)
Maria Farmer has publicly stated she reported abuse allegations in 1996; later timelines document early notice issues.
Suggested citation: Just Security timeline (Farmer report discussion). Open
1998 • Epstein buys Little St. James (Verified)
Purchases Little St. James (later widely known as “Epstein’s island”).
2002 • Trump quote about Epstein in New York magazine (Verified quote)
Trump is quoted praising Epstein and mentioning “many … on the younger side.”
Suggested citation: PBS/ABC/Guardian explainers and the New York magazine quote context. PBS explainer
2005 • Palm Beach police investigation begins (Verified)
Palm Beach Police investigate after reports involving a minor; this becomes the first major case track.
2006 • Federal investigation developments (Verified framework; details vary by document)
FBI involvement and case developments become more visible in later records (FOIA releases include investigative memos).
Suggested citation: FBI FOIA PDFs (example page set). FBI FOIA sample
2008 • Epstein plea deal / NPA controversy (Verified)
Epstein pleads guilty to state charges; the federal non-prosecution agreement becomes a major controversy later examined by DOJ/OPR reporting.
Suggested citation: DOJ OPR material / major outlet explainers. OPR PDF (WP host)
2016 • “Katie Johnson” lawsuit (Claim/Allegation; withdrawn)
A civil filing alleged misconduct and was later withdrawn; treat as an allegation, not an established fact. Do not state as proven.
2017–2018 • Michael Wolff interviews / Epstein “tapes” claims (Claim; attributed to Epstein via Wolff)
Reports describe recordings where Epstein makes claims about Trump; these are attributed claims and disputed.
Suggested citation: House PDF referencing press coverage of the Wolff tape reporting. House doc (press excerpt)
2018–2019 • Bannon filmed Epstein for hours (Reported; documentary not released)
Reporting states Steve Bannon filmed extensive footage with Epstein for a proposed documentary; details and intent are debated.
Suggested citation: Business Insider explainer. Open
2019-07-06 • Epstein arrested (Verified)
Epstein arrested on federal sex trafficking charges (SDNY).
2019-08-10 • Epstein dies in custody (Verified official ruling; disputed in public debate)
Officially ruled suicide; public debate continues. If you host a poll (“alive?”), label it as opinion and not a factual claim.
2020 • Ghislaine Maxwell arrested; later convicted/sentenced (Verified)
Maxwell arrested in 2020; later convicted and sentenced (20 years).
2025-07-15 / 2025-11-19 • Epstein Files Transparency Act introduced & becomes law (Verified)
H.R. 4405 introduced July 15, 2025; signed into law as Public Law 119–38 on Nov. 19, 2025.
Cite Congress.gov bill text. Open
2025-12 to 2026-01 • DOJ posts releases on “Epstein Library” (Verified)
DOJ hosts materials responsive to the Act and notes updates (library shows “Last Updated”).
Jan 2026 • Reports say most files remain unreleased after deadline (Reported)
Coverage indicates the bulk of documents remain unreleased; lawmakers discuss litigation/oversight pathways.
Suggested citations: Time + AP. Time • AP
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Results save in the visitor’s browser (local). For public tallies, embed Google Forms later.
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### Comprehensive Timeline: Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, Arrests, Prosecutors, Allegations, and Mar-a-Lago Connections

This timeline integrates key events from Jeffrey Epstein's life, criminal cases, and prosecutions with his relationships to Donald Trump and Steve Bannon. It includes first meetings, arrests, prosecutors involved, allegations (including those mirroring Epstein's crimes, such as sexual misconduct involving minors), and Mar-a-Lago ties. Based on verified reports, books (e.g., Michael Wolff's recordings where Epstein claims intimate details about Trump), and public records, it highlights how these elements intersect. Note: Epstein's crimes involved sex trafficking and abuse of minors; Trump's and Bannon's associations have been scrutinized but not led to charges against them in Epstein's cases.<post:50</post><post:52</post><post:59</post>

- **January 20, 1953**: Jeffrey Epstein is born in Brooklyn, New York. He later becomes a financier with ties to elites, including future presidents and business moguls.

- **Late 1980s (circa 1987-1989)**: Donald Trump first meets Epstein in Palm Beach, Florida, where both own properties (Trump buys Mar-a-Lago in 1985). Trump later tells *New York* magazine in 2002 that he's known Epstein for "15 years," dating their friendship to around 1987. They socialize frequently, with Epstein visiting Mar-a-Lago. In Michael Wolff's 2017 recordings (detailed in his books and podcast), Epstein claims he was Trump's "closest friend for 10 years" during this period, alleging Trump enjoyed "f---ing the wives of his best friends" and had scalp reduction surgery. Epstein also claims Trump first had sex with Melania Knauss (future wife) on his plane, dubbed the "Lolita Express." Trump has denied close ties post-fallout.

- **1990s**: Trump and Epstein party together at Mar-a-Lago and elsewhere. Flight logs show Trump flies on Epstein's jet multiple times (at least seven between 1993-1997), sometimes with family. Epstein recruits victims at Mar-a-Lago, including Virginia Giuffre (recruited in 1999 as a "spa attendant" at age 16). Allegations emerge that Epstein uses Mar-a-Lago to target young women; spa workers (often teens/young adults) are sent to Epstein's nearby mansion for "massages," where he exposes himself or propositions them. A 1994 allegation (unproven) in FBI files claims Trump and Epstein raped a 13-year-old girl, who later died suspiciously (ruled suicide). Another tip alleges Trump paid to abuse a trafficked 13-year-old, present when her baby was killed. Trump denies all; no charges filed. These mirror Epstein's crimes of abusing minors.<post:50</post><post:52</post>

- **1996**: Artist Maria Farmer reports Epstein's abuse to the FBI (twice in late August), but no investigation opens until 2006. This delay highlights early law enforcement failures.

- **1998**: Epstein buys Little St. James island, later dubbed "Pedophile Island," where much abuse occurs.

- **February 2000**: Trump, Epstein, Melania Knauss, and Ghislaine Maxwell (Epstein's accomplice) pose together at Mar-a-Lago.

- **2002**: Trump praises Epstein in *New York* magazine: "Terrific guy... likes beautiful women... many on the younger side."

- **2003**: Maxwell compiles a birthday book for Epstein's 50th, including Trump and others. Epstein is banned from Mar-a-Lago spa after pressuring an 18-year-old worker for sex; Trump agrees to the ban after a manager's report. Spa staff had warned about Epstein's behavior (exposing himself). This follows years of Mar-a-Lago facilitating Epstein's access to young women.<post:54</post>

- **November 2004**: Trump and Epstein feud over a Palm Beach mansion bidding war, straining ties.

- **March 2005**: Palm Beach police investigate Epstein after a 14-year-old reports molestation at his mansion. This launches his first major case.

- **May 23, 2006**: FBI opens "Operation Leap Year" into Epstein after Farmer's 1996 reports and new evidence.

- **July 19, 2006**: Palm Beach grand jury indicts Epstein on one felony solicitation charge.

- **October 2007**: Epstein is barred from Mar-a-Lago entirely after harassing a member's teenage daughter. Trump later claims he banned Epstein for "stealing" young spa workers. Mar-a-Lago registry shows Epstein's account closed.<post:50</post><post:52</post><post:54</post>

- **June 30, 2008**: Under U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta (later Trump's Labor Secretary), Epstein pleads guilty to state charges of solicitation and solicitation of a minor, serving 13 months with work release. The non-prosecution agreement draws criticism for leniency, shielding co-conspirators. This deal delays federal action.

- **2010**: Trump and Bannon first meet via David Bossie.

- **2015**: Bannon unofficially advises Trump's campaign launch, positioning Breitbart as pro-Trump.

- **2016**: "Katie Johnson" lawsuit alleges Trump raped her at 13 in 1994 at an Epstein party; withdrawn due to threats. Michael Cohen (Trump's fixer) later mentions handling an underage allegation. Trump wins election; Bannon becomes campaign CEO in August.

- **January-August 2017**: Bannon serves as White House Chief Strategist, clashing with others. Ousted in August.

- **August 2017**: Wolff interviews Epstein at his Manhattan townhouse for *Fire and Fury*; Epstein discusses Trump White House inner workings and their past friendship.

- **December 2017**: Steve Bannon first meets Epstein, post-White House. They bond over media strategy; Bannon advises Epstein on reputation rehab amid scrutiny. Bannon films ~15 hours for a documentary ("The Monsters") framing Epstein as exposing elites, but sources say it's to "redeem" him. Epstein claims Trump knows of their collaboration. A photo of Trump and Maxwell is found on Bannon's phone (taken during Trump's presidency).<post:55</post><post:57</post><post:59</post><post:63</post><post:65</post>

- **January 2018**: Bannon fallout with Trump over *Fire and Fury* quotes; Trump calls him "Sloppy Steve." Bannon apologizes.

- **February 24, 2018**: Bannon emails Epstein about political contacts, deepening ties.

- **2018**: Bannon visits Epstein's mansion often, films documentary footage. Bannon helps Epstein with media training to deny pedophilia. Epstein arranges jet travel for Bannon. Partial reconciliation between Bannon and Trump.<post:55</post><post:63</post>

- **September 2018**: Bannon interviews claim documentary exposes Epstein's "perversions" enabled by elites, but it's seen as rehab effort.

- **Pre-July 2019**: Bannon records 15 hours with Epstein; filming ends just before arrest. Bannon thought Epstein was a "spy" for access to espionage circles.<post:55</post><post:59</post><post:63</post>

- **July 6, 2019**: Epstein arrested on federal sex-trafficking charges by SDNY under U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman. Charges cover 2002-2005 abuses. Acosta resigns amid backlash.

- **August 10, 2019**: Epstein dies by suicide in jail.

- **August 2020**: Bannon arrested for "We Build the Wall" fraud.

- **July 2, 2020**: Ghislaine Maxwell arrested; sentenced to 20 years in 2022 for aiding Epstein.<post:57</post><post:65</post>

- **2021**: Bannon mentions unreleased Epstein footage. Trump pardons Bannon on last day in office (January 19). Bannon defies Jan. 6 subpoena.<post:59</post>

- **2022**: Bannon convicted of contempt of Congress.

- **2024**: Bannon serves prison time (July-October), then boosts Trump's campaign. Bannon releases Epstein trailer, promises series.

- **July 15, 2025**: Epstein Transparency Act (H.R. 4405) introduced, requiring DOJ file release.

- **November 2025**: Bill passes, signed by Trump. DOJ misses December deadline, releasing partial files amid cover-up claims. Files include FBI tips mirroring allegations against Trump.

- **December 2025-January 2026**: Partial releases fuel theories. X discussions highlight Bannon's Epstein ties, Trump's Mar-a-Lago ban as "decisive," but critics note delays in action. Cohen in 2025 interview confirms handling underage claims for Trump. As of January 2026, full files remain incomplete; Bannon advises Trump informally.<post:50</post><post:52</post><post:54</post><post:55</post><post:57</post><post:59</post><post:63</post><post:65</post>

Transcript

0:00
The dude said, "I've worked with this
guy, John Cullen."
Yeah.
Holy [ __ ] This guy's a hound dog, man.
And this is probably why he's gone.
I don't know where he's at.
Who is he?
His name is John Cullen.
What is he? What is his
He's uh he's a investigative journalist.
He's actually pretty famous. He's in
he's testified in front of Congress. I
can tell you some of the stuff that he's
done. And
like the Butler assassination attempt,
that was that was two snipers, not one.
What?
Nobody's talking about that, right? Even
the Secret Service said it. Why are they
not talking about it? Yeah, there's I
can tell you Las Vegas, the Las Vegas
shooting. I can tell you about that one.
I've sat down with We've gone through
this and he's got all the evidence. He's
much smarter than I am on it. And he
brought me on board to kind of uh vet
some of the stuff. And uh so I bring my
tactical knowledge, my strategic
knowledge to play. And And Dude, did you
ever talk to any of the dudes that were
there at Butler? any of the snipers?
No. No. That's a that's an interesting
story. Um,
and it's so weird that Trump has not
talked about it at all.
Well, there's a reason why. See, there's
a reason why. Um,
is there
If you got You want to record this?
Are we rolling?
We're Yeah, we're rolling.
Yeah. So, on that particular one, uh, in
the Butler
assassination attempt. So, here's here's
what
I believe has happened based on the
investigation me and John Cullen did.
Um,
and I'm going to give you the readers
digest version very brief. So, it wasn't
one sniper, it was two snipers. Okay.
Now, um, why do we say that? Well, one
looking at the trajectories um the, uh,
what do you call it? uh the the
acoustics from the weapon systems. Also,
the even the Secret Service snipers,
the second set said they were taking
fire from another direction in a
treeine. So, they actually testified
they're taking fire from over here while
the other group was taking fire from the
guy over on the rooftop. So, they're
actually getting it from two different
angles. Wait, he only shot at Trump,
though. I thought there bullets were
only going towards Trump. Well, there
there's Yeah. No. Yes and no. So, man,
you have to watch the whole segment. So,
some of their bullets, the way they
traveled,
um, and literally were bouncing off
their handrails on the bleachers.
Yeah.
The trajectory was completely different
from the guy that was shooting what they
thought was originally shooting, right?
Um, so here's a theory,
and I think it's a pretty good one. I
think it's pretty solid.
Because you can corroborate any of this
stuff, Steve.
Yeah. You were asking why, um, you know,
why Trump hasn't done anything about it.
So, here's the theory. The theory is
it was two snipers. And by the way, the
one sniper, the one sniper, the kid,
right? They never really identified who
he is. Um there was no information about
his home.
His history was completely lost.
What is no history? Parents were what
happened to all that, right? But they do
have cell uh uh cellular data tracking
him to Washington in around the FBI
building, right? Stuff like that.
Um
but there's no record of this guy
anywhere. He could be anybody. And
that's actually what he was was a John
Doe.
Well, did you see any of this stuff that
I don't mean to interrupt, but uh Tucker
Carlson did a whole thing on this where
they basically dug up all kinds of stuff
about this kid and posts that he was
making on forums and stuff like this,
like talking about like how to shoot
guns or what type of guns and he had
videos of himself like with his guns
like practicing in his room and [ __ ]
But when this happened,
the FBI report was there was nothing.
But now later there's all this stuff
coming out, right? Right. So, if you're
the FBI or the NSA,
you would have known about this. Like,
this guy would have been a huge red
flag. Yeah. Well, so the theory is this.
Um,
this kid was probably already dead,
right? And they used him in name only.
Um, they probably went to his parents
said, "Listen, your kid's dead. We
already know he's dead. He got hit by a
car, whatever, right? We'll give you $10
million. We just want to use his name
and we'll give you hide your identity,
blah blah blah blah." Um, the theory is
it was two snipers. And ready for this?
They're Ukrainian snipers. Now, why
would they be Ukrainian snipers? Yeah.
Why would
There was a dead body though.
Yeah. That that but that was that was
just a pathy, right? So, the theory is
at that time, this was when the
elections was starting to happen. The
theory was Biden told Zilinsky, "Listen,
man, you're probably going to lose all
this funding, all this crap if Trump
wins." He goes, "If you just happen to
send a couple guys over to our country
and it just happen to shoot them, who
knows? We're, you know, we're not going
to talk about it." The theory is it was
two snipers. We know it was two snipers
and the theory is it was two Ukrainians
or one Ukrainian and the kid that was
the pathy because you can't find
anything on this kid anymore anywhere.
Not even his parents, his home, nothing.
He just disappeared. The other guy, we
don't know where he's at either, but the
Secret Service actually testified in
front of Congress that they're taking
fire from two angles. John Cullen went
to Congress.
Find that.
Yeah. John Cullen went to Congress and
testified the same thing and they're
like, "Yeah, okay. That's nice. You can
leave now."
So, they blew that whole thing off. Now,
again, that it's on another podcast. I
don't mean to propose another podcast,
but uh it was me and John was on it and
we went we spent about two hours just on
that. He did most of the uh the
analysis, right? He provided everything,
the angles, the uh the uh what do you
call it? Um the sonic analysis from the
from the muzzle blast and the distances
and on and on and on. And uh there was
just a lot of holes in this story that
made no made absolutely zero sense. Like
where were the drones? Um
and and how the [ __ ] did they miss?
Right. Exactly. There's so much going on
here, right? So that's just one example
of, you know, these when we talk about
these conspiracy theories. Another good
one was uh
so wait okay so so if if it was a UK
first of all find that Congress uh the
Secret Service saying that there was two
shooters
and uh John Cullen is his name he would
be uh the the journalist involved in
that
and why was is Trump not talking about
it?
Well because they think Trump has now
leverage on Zilinski says you do the
things my way or it's all blows up in
your face. Right? So that's when he also
came on board and said hey we want the
mineral rights to this you know this
part of Ukraine and he tried to deal do
all that. We think that was
the theory is that's what he was trying
to leverage like hey we want just like
Greenland and Venezuela you know we want
to be able to occupy this area and reap
the benefits you know of the minerals.
Um, another good one, again, like I
said, this guy John Coen, man. Every
time we got done with the show, we would
both say, "Listen, man, we are not
suicidal. We don't intend to die. We
don't want to die. We like life, right?"
And so, and we would say that jokingly,
but I also know we kind of really meant
it, especially John, because you can't
find John anywhere. He's got no phone
number to call. If you want to reach
him, you got to send him an email on
Proton. He'll contact you and do a Zoom
call with you. All right. The guy's very
reclusive. He hides because he's scared
to death for his of for his life. And
once you start listening to this guy,
you start to realize, wow, he's not an
idiot. He's actually pretty smart and
he's pretty good at what he does. Um the
a lot of these conspiracy theories are
starting to be be true, you know. Um
and it doesn't help when the government
just doesn't come forth with the truth.
like they conceal and hide the
information which enables all these
conspiracy theories to just explode.
Absolutely. And when it's when we have
real evidence
like the Butler Creek thing um and we
have real evidence of Las Vegas and
they're still not talking about it.
They're just kind of dismissing it,
right?
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Transcript

0:00
All right, y'all come on in here. I got
some good tea. Now, look, y'all was
telling me in the comment section um to
go ahead and look into Bill Bar's dad
and I did just that. And let me tell
you, the apple do not fall far from the
tree, y'all. First off, let's get into
Ed Martin coming in swinging. He uh took
over the case with Leticia James um and
Shift. Y'all, if y'all want to know what
any of these people have in common from
Fanny Willis to Bill Bar to Leticia
James to Ship, y'all, they are all and
more to put in that that that list are
all corrupt. They all had a big part to
go against who our president is today,
and that is Donald Trump. Talk about
somebody taking a knife to a good man
and stabbing him straight in the back.
With that being said, y'all, let's go
ahead and dive into the first clip, and
then we f to dive in to who Bill Bar dad
is, which he goes by the name of Donald
Bar. Let's dive into the first clip,
y'all, and we going to chop it up in the
comment section cuz, baby, we got to
talk. Let's dive into it. This coming
straight from the artist known as Jess.
That's Elo Sun Jess on X. if y'all want
to follow this guy. Let's get into it.
Accountability, [ __ ] Here we
go. Ed Martin has just been announced as
the first special prosecutor to bring
down Adam Schiff and Leticia James for
their mortgage fraud. And you're like,
"What about their other crimes?" Well,
it's just like El Capone. You didn't get
El Capone for all the [ __ ] people he
killed. Did you know you got him on the
tax evasion because the money leaves the
[ __ ] easiest trail and that [ __ ] is
locked solid. You get them on the hard
evidence. Then you just lock them up
forever and you [ __ ] either way.
Cuffs in jail. Adam Schiff, you pencil
dick [ __ ]
I can't wait to see your big old bug
eyes just pop right out of your skull
when they slap the [ __ ] cuffs on you.
Ed Martin is the guy that the Senate
would not confirm for the DC attorney
general slot. And so then Trump replaced
him with Judge Jean Judge Janine Piro.
Like so she's she's the AG now in DC
because DC is that weird [ __ ] right?
It's not a state. It's kind of federal,
but it's not. That [ __ ] whatever.
On top of that [ __ ] Project Veraritoss
just released documents that said Fanny
Willis was being run by Bill Bar,
Trump's attorney general. Bill Bar, you
snake [ __ ] Bill Bar was the one
running the prosecutions of Trump with
his hand up Fanny Willis's ass, running
her like a [ __ ] puppet. That dumb
[ __ ] Oh my god. people. Here comes the
accountability that we've all been
[ __ ] waiting for. This is it. Bill
Bar, you snake piece of [ __ ] Bill Barr
was the attorney general when Epstein
was arrested the first time. Covered
that [ __ ] up the second time when he got
arrested and then covered up his death.
Megan Kelly's out there. She's convinced
that Epste ain't dead. And I a lot of
people say that in like the new video
that's coming out, things walking out.
Dude, I I'm my money on Epste ain't
dead.
I wouldn't be surprised. He ain't dead.
That's how that [ __ ] works. People, this
is what we've been waiting for. Finally,
they have gotten off their asses and
they're starting to bring the heat.
They're realizing that the people they
thought were their friends, they're
enemies. Yeah, lock them all up. This
shit's going to get far and wide right
[ __ ] fast. Good luck to you all. Have
a great weekend. Long live this
beautiful republic.
All right, y'all. So, we f to dive into
who Bill Bar's father is. Now, Bill Bar
did serve in Trump's first term, and of
course, like he stated, he had a huge
part of the manipulation of prosecuting
during uh Trump's first term, which is
going to lead us to my next clips. Now,
these are not videos or anything. This
is pretty much pertaining reading
because y'all wanted me to look into his
dad. Okay? And that is what we are about
to do. And y'all will be surprised and
then you'll wonder why Bill Bird covered
that up. Um the first go around the
whole Epstein thing you you that it's
all connected and it's going to make
sense once we get to the end of this. So
let's go ahead and dive into the next
clip y'all. Again this is reading
and it says pretty much this is the
book. Hang on. I had something be right
here. Okay. I'm moving too fast. All
right. So let's get into it. Coming
straight from Ask Mama on X. That's Ask
Mama 215. If y'all want to follow this
person, Bill Bar's dad ran the school
where Epstein was hired as a teacher.
His father,
Donald Bar, was an educator and writer
who taught English literature at
Columbia University before becoming the
headmaster of a Dalton School in
Manhattan and later the Hackley School
in Terry Town, New York. both members of
the Ivy um Preparatory School League.
Okay. And y'all, the daddy is connected
to a whole bunch of other stuff. I
couldn't put it all in one clip. If
y'all want to, don't take me for it. Go
pull it up. Like y'all told me, it is
out there. Knowledge is power. I'm
telling y'all that now. You'll be
surprised what you learn. All right. So,
this man wrote a book in the 1970s.
His daddy, Donald Bar, wrote a book.
It's gonna blow your mind, y'all. This
is a book Bill Bar's dad, Donald, wrote
in the 1970s. Read what it's about. And
I'm gonna read y'all a small little clip
of it. Shocking. And it's coming
straight from Bobby Bobby Diesel on X.
That's real salty slim. And feel free
y'all to add whatever I'm leaving out in
the comment section cuz this is what
it's all about. Y'all told me to
research. I'm doing my research.
Fill it in. All right. So, it's called
Space Relations. Y'all, this book was
based on a science fiction novel,
and it was literally based on
children,
you fill in the blank.
Disgusting.
Here it is in a book that his dad wrote.
Wait a minute. But where you going with
this, Queen Bee?
Just pause.
Very sickening book, y'all.
Check the next clip out. I'm about to
read y'all a piece from this book and
then then y'all let me know your
thoughts. Coming straight from very base
American million men at sick smoking
mill on X if y'all want to follow this
person. Trump was president and Bill Bar
was the attorney general. Bill Bar's
dad, Donald Bar, hired Jeffrey Einstein
at a Dalton school originally. We going
to get into that, too. Donald Bar also
wrote a book called Space Relations that
seems to almost prestige the Epstein
affair. Check this out.
Not sure if you've seen this space opera
written in 1973 from the uh uh week
description.
While in route to Kaiser, one of the
pirates awaken Craig and the other
prisoners to blank a 15-year-old Virgin
redhead female captive in front of them.
The blank
fellow pirates later hear of this and
dock his pay as punishment for spoiling
her market value. Craig then spent two
years as a slave of the beautiful sens
sensual and uh sadetic lady Morgan
Sitney, the only female member of the um
what is that orarchy or or
God I can't get that word uh
or okay with whom he became romantically
involved together they lived in her
castle
ruling over and engaging in the blank
relations with those under their domain,
including enslaved teenagers as a clinic
used to breed enslaved people.
I don't know if y'all can see the words
that I was blanking, but I'm censoring
myself.
Here is allegedly proof
a book was written
of certain acts that took place with
children.
So now y it's deeper and darker
than these people try to cover up. And
then you sit here and it's so disgusting
and you're wondering why they trying to
cover it up and and and not mention
because these folks, these very people
engage and enjoy doing these type of
things to people and that is the
disgusting.
You wrote a book
y'all. Let's keep this thing going.
Coming straight from Tony uh Sagra on X
y'all. Bill Bar's father Donald Bar was
in the n in was the and was the 1970s
headmaster of Dalton private girls
private girls school and hired an
uneducated uncredential math teacher who
had a univers had no university degree
no history of teaching no reference no
qualifications whatsoever. The name was
that of unskilled teacher Jeffrey
Epstein.
Y'all do the math and think about
the girls in that school and what took
place. And I believe he was 21 and
Donabar gave him his very first job.
Can y'all imagine the hell
that took place in that school?
Crazy, right?
All right, let's keep this thing going.
Which brings me to this clip, y'all.
Bill Bar's dad got Jeffrey Einstein his
first job teaching when he was only 21
years old with no college degree. How
you do that? Jeffrey Einstein, math and
science. H. This coming straight from
not Alex Shepard on X if y'all want to
follow this person. How
do you manage to do that?
And it gets deeper, y'all.
Bill Bar is full of crap. His daddy was
on it.
He's on it.
It's It's to the point like, let's just
say this stuff do come out. Can we the
people actually really handle what the
hell actually happens? Shout out to ICE
for doing these cases and finding these
children because y'all they are going
through so much hell innocent souls.
And I honestly am so happy that I as
they're doing these crackdowns and
things like that that they are finding
these children and getting them out of
this horror because it's going to take
more than than them seeing a therapist.
It's going to take a lot.
These kids are going through a lot
of disgusting things
and they think that they can get away
with it on Earth, but judgment day is
coming and baby, it's going to be hot. I
want to know y'all thoughts. Again,
there is more y'all. You just can't do
this all in one take, but don't take it
from me. Go research this information up
for yourselves. Y'all told me y'all
wanted me to look into the daddy and I
did that. And let me tell you, you'd be
surprised what you learned. I appreciate
y'all because of y'all, baby. Again,
knowledge is power. Okay? Knowing these
things is power. Knowing who you are
putting in place to run this country
is the power that we have. Go get the
knowledge.
Appreciate y'all for tuning in. Y'all
wanted me to check this out. I did just
that. Once you see it, you cannot unsee
it. Y'all, let's talk in the comment
sections. I want to know y'all thoughts.
I'm out.
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here’s the fact-checked version of what we actually know about (1) who was on duty, (2) whether they were disciplined/charged, and (3) the camera / “missing minute” claims — plus a poll pack you can drop into your VMAG.

Who were the guards on duty when Epstein died?

The two staff members most consistently identified (and federally charged) as the on-duty officers responsible for required rounds/counts in the SHU during the critical overnight window were:

  • Tova Noel (correctional officer)

  • Michael Thomas (a “material handler” assigned to the SHU shift)

DOJ’s SDNY announcement lays out that they failed to do mandatory rounds/counts and falsified logs showing they did them. (Justice.gov)

The DOJ OIG report states they were the only two staff on duty in the SHU at certain points overnight and that no one checked on Epstein for hours. (DOJ Office of Inspector General)

Were they disciplined or charged? What happened to the case?

Charged (Yes)

They were indicted in November 2019 for conspiracy and falsification of records related to the night of Epstein’s death. (Justice.gov)

Outcome (No prison time; charges ultimately dismissed)

In May 2021, they entered deferred prosecution agreements requiring (among other terms) 100 hours of community service and cooperation. (Reuters)
By late Dec 2021 / early Jan 2022, prosecutors moved to end the case and the charges were dropped/dismissed after the DPA terms were satisfied. (Reuters)

So: charged → deferred prosecution → charges dropped.

Cameras “disconnected weeks before” — what’s actually documented

What the DOJ Inspector General found

The DOJ OIG report says that video from the camera at the end of L Tier (where Epstein was housed) was not recorded because the video recording system (DVR 2) had a hard-drive issue the FBI later determined occurred on July 29, 2019. The camera was live-streaming but not recording on Aug 9–10. (DOJ Office of Inspector General)

Timing reality: July 29 → Aug 10 is about 12 days (closer to “~2 weeks” than “weeks and weeks,” depending on how someone uses the word).

Reuters reporting in 2019

Reuters reported two cameras malfunctioned outside Epstein’s cell and were sent to an FBI lab for examination. (Reuters)

The “missing minute” / edited-footage controversy

There are two separate things people mix together:

  1. The OIG camera problem in 2019: the key L Tier camera feed wasn’t recorded (DVR failure), but other cameras captured portions of the SHU common area. (DOJ Office of Inspector General)

  2. Later-released surveillance video files (years later) that sparked claims about a “missing minute” or edits:

  • WIRED reported metadata indicating the “raw” Epstein prison video had ~2 minutes 53 seconds removed from a stitched clip. (WIRED)

  • CBS News reported new discrepancies and said a government source indicated agencies have a version without the controversial gap. (CBS News)

  • A later “missing minute” release was also covered in the press, framed as contradicting prior public claims about routine resets. (The Guardian)

Bottom line: it’s fair (and accurate) to say released video materials have been disputed and analyzed, and that official explanations have been challenged by metadata/forensic-style review—but you should present it as “discrepancy + competing explanations,” not “proven fake.” (WIRED)

VMAG Polls & Surveys (ready to paste)

Poll 1 — Charges

Should the two on-duty officers who falsified logs be criminally convicted (not just DPAs + community service)?

  • Yes — conviction warranted

  • No — systemic failure, not individual blame

  • Unsure / need more info

Poll 2 — Transparency

Should DOJ release all metadata + chain-of-custody documentation for every Epstein-related video file it has released?

  • Yes, full release

  • Partial release (protect security systems)

  • No

Poll 3 — Cameras

If a federal facility’s key cameras are live-streaming but not recording due to equipment failure, should that trigger mandatory emergency protocols (extra staff, replacement recording, outside audit)?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Depends on inmate risk level

Survey (short form)

  1. Do you believe the Epstein death investigation was handled competentlyQ1: properly / improperly / unsure

  2. Biggest issue: staffing / leadership / tech failures / corruption / other

  3. What reform matters most: staffing minimums / camera redundancy / independent oversight / prosecution standards

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  • Truth-seeking: reject what’s illogical and doesn’t hold together.
  • Wave vs medium: disturbances aren’t the substrate.
  • Wisdom vs knowledge: refinement, not regurgitation.

VMAG “Paraphrasable Core” (one paragraph)

Life is short. The point isn’t collecting a warehouse of facts — it’s refining them. Find what’s consistent across traditions and frameworks, discard contradictions, and compress the result into something you can explain simply. That compression is the “paraphrasable core.”

Transcript (collapsible)

Open transcript excerpt (paste full transcript into Admin to replace)

0:18 I can’t stand wintertime… shorts, sleeveless hoodie, sandals…

2:23 People like me synthesize facts into a paraphrasable core…

4:08 Life is short… I’m interested in the summation…

11:41 All wave phenomena require a medium… don’t confuse the medium with the disturbance…

14:26 Distinguish wisdom from knowledge… refinement… extraction…

28:44 Hope you like these videos… check out my Substack…

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What “lawfare” looks like (plain English)

“Lawfare” is when the process becomes the punishment — endless filings, delays, bureaucracy, and paperwork engineered to drain your time, money, and health.

  • Delay tactics that make justice too expensive to reach
  • Procedural traps that bury the truth under forms and deadlines
  • Accountability gaps: nobody gets punished for wasting years

My story (tight framing, responsible wording)

In my experience, the most damaging “lawfare” isn’t always your opponent — it can be your own representation. When your own lawyers fail to act, miss deadlines, overbill, or force you to go pro se, it turns the legal system into a treadmill. I’m building an evidence-first transparency platform so regular people aren’t financially destroyed by delay and dysfunction.

Note: This is framed as personal experience and documented claims, not a blanket accusation about all attorneys.

Campaign Core Message (short)

I’m running to end “process-as-punishment.” Government should be accountable the same way citizens are. If a system burns years of a person’s life with no consequences, the system is broken — and I intend to fix it.

Policy-style bullets (VMAG-friendly)

  • Transparency by default: public records, clear timelines, plain-language notices.
  • Time-to-resolution metrics: track delays; publish performance dashboards.
  • Penalty for strategic delay: fee shifting & sanctions where appropriate.
  • Affordable access: simplified procedures and pro se support for non-lawyers.
  • Accountability: independent oversight with real enforcement power.

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Got it. I’ll handle this calmly, fact-checked, and respectful, and I’ll separate what’s proven, what’s disputed, and what the strategic explanations are—so your VMAG doesn’t get dismissed as speculation. Think of this as a neutral intelligence brief, not a rant.

The Epstein Transparency Question (Straight Law + Politics)

Core question you’re asking

Why didn’t Democrats (Obama → Biden → Harris) release or weaponize the Epstein material if it existed—and if it was damaging to Trump?

There are only a few realistic explanations. Anything outside these is speculation.

1. Clean, verified timeline (no drama)

Early history

  • 2005–2006: Jeffrey Epstein investigated in Florida for sex crimes involving minors.

  • 2008: Epstein receives a non-prosecution agreement brokered by Alexander Acosta, then U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida.

    • This is the infamous “sweetheart plea deal.”

  • 2009–2016: Epstein operates openly again; travels, socializes, funds projects.

Trump era

  • 2016: Trump elected President.

  • July 2019: Epstein is arrested by federal prosecutors in New York (SDNY) on sex-trafficking charges.

  • August 10, 2019: Epstein dies in federal custody while William Barr is Attorney General.

  • DOJ officially rules death a suicide; many procedural failures documented.

Biden era

  • 2021–2024: Epstein-related civil cases continue; some documents unsealed via court orders (mostly Giuffre v. Maxwell records).

  • No criminal indictments of additional powerful figures.

2. Trump & Epstein — what is actually established

Confirmed

  • Trump and Epstein knew each other socially in the 1990s.

  • Epstein visited Mar-a-Lago.

  • Trump later banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago (date disputed, but reported by multiple journalists).

  • No criminal charges have ever been filed against Trump related to Epstein.

Not proven

  • No verified evidence Trump participated in Epstein’s crimes.

  • No sealed indictment publicly exists naming Trump.

Important legal reality

If DOJ had chargeable evidence against a sitting or former president, it would not sit unused for years—especially in a hyper-political environment.

3. So why didn’t Democrats “drop the Epstein bomb”?

There are four realistic explanations—not mutually exclusive.

Option A — They didn’t have prosecutable evidence

This is the most boring answer—and often the correct one.

  • Rumors ≠ admissible evidence

  • Association ≠ criminal liability

  • DOJ requires specific acts, dates, victims, corroboration

If the evidence didn’t meet charging standards, it couldn’t be used.

Option B — The evidence implicated multiple elites across parties

This is very plausible.

Epstein’s network:

  • Was bipartisan

  • Included financiers, royalty, academics, intelligence-adjacent figures

  • Spanned decades

Releasing everything could have:

  • Destroyed multiple institutions

  • Triggered mass civil liability

  • Exposed intelligence failures (or cooperation)

Institutions tend to protect themselves first.

Option C — DOJ independence + risk aversion

Contrary to popular belief:

  • Presidents don’t control prosecutions directly

  • DOJ is extremely conservative about explosive cases

Using Epstein material politically would:

  • Poison prosecutions

  • Guarantee mistrials

  • Create claims of weaponization (ironically weakening real cases)

Option D — Epstein’s death collapsed leverage

Once Epstein died:

  • No plea leverage

  • No testimony

  • No cooperation deals

Maxwell prosecutions were narrow by design to avoid collapse.

4. Bill Barr — what can actually be alleged

What’s factual

  • Barr was Attorney General when Epstein died

  • Jail failures occurred (guards asleep, cameras malfunctioning)

What cannot be stated as fact

  • That Barr ordered Epstein killed

  • That Epstein is “known to be alive”

Those claims remain unproven and must be framed as:

“Unresolved questions” or “institutional failures,” not accusations.

This matters legally and journalistically.

5. Obama, Biden, Harris — why “they must’ve had the files” is not certain

Key point:

Epstein’s original crimes were handled at the U.S. Attorney level, not by presidents.

Records were:

  • Sealed

  • Fragmented across jurisdictions

  • Protected by non-prosecution terms

  • Partially destroyed or never created

Presidents don’t automatically “inherit” prosecutable case files.

6. VMAG STRUCTURE (IdeasToInvent.com – credibility-first)

VMAG Title

“Epstein, Power, and the Silence: What We Know, What We Don’t, and Why It Matters”

 

 

 

 

Section 1 — Timeline (Verified Only)

Use dates, sources, no adjectives.

Section 2 — What Evidence Exists vs. What Doesn’t

Split screen:

  • Left: Court-verified facts

  • Right: Public speculation (clearly labeled)

Section 3 — Political Incentives Analysis

Explain why both parties might avoid full exposure.

Section 4 — Polls & Surveys (Smart, not accusatory)

Example polls:

  • “Do you believe all Epstein-related documents should be unsealed, regardless of party?”

  • “Do you trust DOJ to investigate elite crime impartially?”

  • “Should non-prosecution agreements in sex-crime cases be outlawed?”

Section 5 — The Institutional Lesson

Focus on:

  • Transparency failures

  • Prosecutorial discretion

  • Why secrecy breeds distrust

7. Final grounding truth (this protects you)

The Epstein case isn’t proof of one party’s guilt.
It’s evidence of institutional self-protection across power centers.

That framing:

  • Keeps you credible

  • Avoids defamation

  • Forces real accountability questions

If you want, next I can:

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  • Draft a journalist-safe summary

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VMAG Ken Wheeler “Paraphrasable Core” + Motta 2028
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VMAG: Ken Wheeler (Transcript → “Paraphrasable Core”)

Key theme: synthesize facts into the center of the wheel.

Fast Summary (VMAG headline)

Ken’s message in plain terms: don’t worship “book knowledge.” Don’t just stack facts. Extract the essence. See how ideas point to a center — the paraphrasable core.

Best Quotable Clips (short)

  • Nonlinear thinking: synthesize facts into a single core idea.
  • Truth-seeking: reject what’s illogical and doesn’t hold together.
  • Wave vs medium: disturbances aren’t the substrate.
  • Wisdom vs knowledge: refinement, not regurgitation.

VMAG “Paraphrasable Core” (one paragraph)

Life is short. The point isn’t collecting a warehouse of facts — it’s refining them. Find what’s consistent across traditions and frameworks, discard contradictions, and compress the result into something you can explain simply. That compression is the “paraphrasable core.”

Transcript (collapsible)

Open transcript excerpt (paste full transcript into Admin to replace)

0:18 I can’t stand wintertime… shorts, sleeveless hoodie, sandals…

2:23 People like me synthesize facts into a paraphrasable core…

4:08 Life is short… I’m interested in the summation…

11:41 All wave phenomena require a medium… don’t confuse the medium with the disturbance…

14:26 Distinguish wisdom from knowledge… refinement… extraction…

28:44 Hope you like these videos… check out my Substack…

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Campaign Language: Vote Motta 2028

Anti-lawfare • transparency • accountability • fix incentives

What “lawfare” looks like (plain English)

“Lawfare” is when the process becomes the punishment — endless filings, delays, bureaucracy, and paperwork engineered to drain your time, money, and health.

  • Delay tactics that make justice too expensive to reach
  • Procedural traps that bury the truth under forms and deadlines
  • Accountability gaps: nobody gets punished for wasting years

My story (tight framing, responsible wording)

In my experience, the most damaging “lawfare” isn’t always your opponent — it can be your own representation. When your own lawyers fail to act, miss deadlines, overbill, or force you to go pro se, it turns the legal system into a treadmill. I’m building an evidence-first transparency platform so regular people aren’t financially destroyed by delay and dysfunction.

Note: This is framed as personal experience and documented claims, not a blanket accusation about all attorneys.

Campaign Core Message (short)

I’m running to end “process-as-punishment.” Government should be accountable the same way citizens are. If a system burns years of a person’s life with no consequences, the system is broken — and I intend to fix it.

Policy-style bullets (VMAG-friendly)

  • Transparency by default: public records, clear timelines, plain-language notices.
  • Time-to-resolution metrics: track delays; publish performance dashboards.
  • Penalty for strategic delay: fee shifting & sanctions where appropriate.
  • Affordable access: simplified procedures and pro se support for non-lawyers.
  • Accountability: independent oversight with real enforcement power.

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Got it. Below is a VMAG-ready explainer that uses Ashton Forbes–style language, splits the ideas into Teacher → 5th-grader and Adult / technical, and clearly frames this as a hypothesis/model, not settled fact. I’ve also baked in promotion hooks, watermark language, and VMAG positioning for IdeasToInvent.com.

🎓 Teacher → 5th-Grader Explanation

“What are the glowing orbs, in simple terms?”

Imagine you have super-powered flashlights that don’t just shine light — they push, heat, and shape energy.

Now imagine scientists figured out how to:

  • Make tiny balls of super-hot energy (plasma)

  • Use lasers and magnets to keep them floating

  • Let them move like balloons in the air, but way faster and smarter

These glowing balls — the orbs people see in the sky — could be:

  • Made of plasma (the 4th state of matter)

  • Held together by magnetic fields

  • Powered by very advanced lasers

Instead of wings or engines, they:

  • Ride energy

  • Push on space a little bit

  • Float, zip, stop, or turn instantly

Think of it like this👇
🫧 A soap bubble floats because air pushes it
⚡ A plasma orb floats because energy pushes space

No aliens needed. Just extreme physics.

🧠 Adult Explanation (Ashton Forbes–Style Breakdown)

Core Idea

The orbs appear consistent with laser-driven plasma systems using relativistic electrons, magnetic confinement, and synchrotron radiation — not traditional propulsion.

This model connects five known physics domains:

1️⃣ Free Electron Lasers (FELs)

A free electron laser accelerates electrons to near light speed and passes them through alternating magnetic fields.

That causes:

  • Oscillation (“wiggling”) of electrons

  • Emission of coherent, extremely powerful radiation

  • Tunable wavelengths (radio → X-ray)

This is not sci-fi. FELs already exist.

Key insight:

Relativistic electrons see magnetic fields as compressed → radiation becomes focused and coherent.

That matches axial beams seen exiting orb-like objects.

2️⃣ Synchrotron Radiation (Why the orbs glow)

When fast electrons curve in magnetic fields, they emit:

  • X-rays

  • Bright directional light

  • Axial emission (out both ends)

This explains:

  • The glow

  • The beams

  • The ability to open/close one side for thrust

Observed behavior ≈ textbook synchrotron emission

3️⃣ Plasma + Magnetohydrodynamics (MHD)

Ionized air (plasma) can be:

  • Shaped into a bubble

  • Stabilized magnetically

  • Used as both shield and structure

The orb isn’t a “ship” — it’s a contained energy system.

4️⃣ Fusion (Why the energy output is insane)

Relativistic electrons:

  • Reduce Coulomb repulsion

  • Increase fusion probability

  • Enable neutronic or aneutronic fusion

This explains:

  • Gigawatt-level energy

  • No visible fuel

  • Long endurance

Single orb = power plant
Multiple orbs = field interaction

5️⃣ Gravity Effects via General Relativity (Why they float)

Einstein showed:

  • Energy = gravity

  • Fast particles gain effective mass

By accelerating electrons:

  • You increase their gravitational influence

  • You locally “cheat” weight

Not anti-gravity — gravity redistribution

Result:

  • Near-weightless system

  • Tiny forces = big movement

  • Balloon-like control with extreme precision

🌀 Why This Explains the “Impossible” Maneuvers

✔ Instant acceleration
✔ No heat plume
✔ Right-angle turns
✔ Silent motion
✔ Hovering without lift

Because it’s not propulsion — it’s field control.

🧩 Bigger Picture (Where Ashton Goes Next)

  • One orb → energy generation

  • Three or more → field coupling

  • Coupled fields → spacetime effects

That’s where:

  • Wormhole speculation enters

  • MH370-style hypotheses appear

  • “Teleportation” becomes a geometry problem, not speed

Still theoretical — but grounded in real physics papers, many dating back to the 1980s.

🔊 Creator Credit & Promotion

Primary analyst & explainer:
👉 Ashton Forbes

Ashton’s strength is doing what legacy science media refuses to do:

  • Read the entire papers

  • Connect lasers, fusion, plasma, and relativity

  • Explain it without mysticism or authority worship

If you want the full breakdowns, follow his work and long-form streams.

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Transcript

0:00
But just to go back to this. So this
paper then is all about how to mine
oops
how to get the fusion how to get the
fusion fuel and how to what is the
fusion fuel how to get it why is it
beneficial and then how we can mine it
from the moon and bring it back here so
that we can have unlimited clean fusion
for the rest of the world for the rest
of the un for forever basically. Okay.
Free electron lasers.
So, this is another scientific paper.
This one's only uh 500 pages. 525 pages
here. We're not going to read through
all of this sadly tonight because it
would probably take a year and a half.
Um I believe this is a combination of
multiple papers put together by Leak
Mabu.
Where is it? Where's his name at?
Somewhere around here. It says his name.
Here it is. principal investigator leak
myu. So leak myu uh is popular in
engineering circles for making the laser
light sail relatively famous. You might
see some of these old UFO documentaries
talking about this laser beam that was
going to shoot something into outer
space, shoot it up into the sky. And
this should right away, right away begin
to ring bells in your ears and you say,
"Wait a minute. We've been talking about
these advanced powerful lasers that we
need to produce our magneto hydrodnamic
air breathing plasmas to be able to
produce these fusion orbs. We need very
powerful lasers. The way you start
making these inertial fusion reactions
is by lasers or plasma or some sort of
interaction. high energy physics and
then from there we manipulate spaceime
with our high energy lasers and now we
get this stabilized
you know ignition fusion reaction
happening
so let's see let's do this first thing I
want to do we're going to take a couple
looks through actually you know we're
going to go to Grock first I had Grock I
said
let's just take a quick look through the
uh the table of contents I want to show
you guys the table of contents on some
of the subjects that we see in here.
Power beaming technology for laser
propulsion. Okay, just going to list off
some of the examples. We're going to
take a look at a couple of these, not
all of them, but a few. Laser thermal
air breathing propulsion, radial
configurations.
Air breathing, laser, electric
propulsion of radial shuttle craft. When
they're talking about radial, I presume
they mean circular.
Uh I think
laser thermal air breathing propul
propulsion of cylindrical configuration.
Uh don't worry there's a lot more. Let
me see. Laser boosted heavy lift launch
vehicle electrostatic
propulsion concepts.
Uh man battle cruisers. Wait, where's
the other one about uh where's my one
about different types of lasers here?
Somewhere in here. I think I saw here it
is. H E high energy lasers in future
UASF missions. And I think somewhere in
here talks about free electron lasers.
MHD pumped vortex induced lift. So
several of these large amplitude alphan
waves thruster mode. So this whole pair
this whole section here is like that's
pretty much what we're looking for. But
honestly, more than one of these is as
well. And what we learned recently,
we've learned the secret to all of this.
Let me just see if I see free electron
anywhere.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. Technical bottlenecks. Free
electron laser.
Free electron laser site with orbital
relay mirror. The basic principles of
the free electron laser concept shown
seem very straightforward. Electrons
accelerated nearly the speed of light
are injected into an alternating
magnetic field where the resulting
transverse accelerations cause them to
emit synretron radiation in the
direction tangental to their motion.
Because of Laurent contraction, the
wiggles in the magnetic fields appear to
the relativistic electrons to have very
short wavelength approximating the
wavelength of light corresponding to any
choice of electron energy and magnetic
periods. There will be an appropriate uh
resonant wavelength where the synretron
radiation from electrons in one wiggle
tends to add in phase with the radiation
from electrons in subsequent wiggles.
Hence the synretron light grows in the
mean direction of the motion. This is
like literally what the orbs are doing.
That's literally what the orbs are doing
right there when he's explaining the
relativistic motion. This is why the
free electron relativist the
relativistic free electron is so
important. Let me repeat this part right
here for you. This is why general
relativity
Einstein is the person that proved free
energy was real. Relativity is what
breaks physics. General relativity
breaks physics. says right here,
electrons are accelerated to the speed
of light where the resulting transverse
accelerations cause them to emit
synretron radiation in the direction
tangental to their motion tangent.
Because of the contraction, the magnetic
fields appear to the electrons to have
very short wavelength. So the wavelength
appears shorter because the electron is
moving. so fast
because the electron is its own little
bubble adhering to general relativity.
This is why relativistic free electron
laser is so important.
Now that I've said that to contextualize
this back for you guys, let me
contextualize this for you guys.
Let me see how long is this. Can I read
all this? This might be a lot. Okay.
What can you do with free relativistic
electrons? So, relativistic electrons
are used in a lot of different things.
Let me just skip down here, but here you
go. Look at the second one here.
Synretron radiation and X-ray sources in
storage rings or accelerators. These
electrons emit bright synretron light
when bent by magnets. This is used for
advanced material studies, atomic and
molecular physics, and ultra fast X-ray
science such as nondestructive imaging
of micro structures in solids or
biological samples. This is crazy
because this is what we're seeing X-rays
coming out of those orbs. That's what
we're seeing. We're you're literally
seeing the synretron radiation shooting
out of the orbs axially out of both
sides. And they can they can close off
one side of the orb or the other. So it
either shoots out one end or the other
or both ends depending on what you want
to do for thrust. So you're literally
seeing that synretron radiation, those
X-rays coming directly out of these
plasm orbs. Do I know they're a
neutronic fusion? Yes, I know those
plasma orbs are beyond any doubt a
neutronic fusion. And I would say I at
this point I would say they're using a
free electron laser inside of them.
inside of them is a free electron laser
that allows that to happen. So there's
the synretron part which I thought was
interesting. Um optical vortex
generation. I want to mention this
because I've I've done a few live
streams about optical vortexes in light.
So interacting free electron
relativistic beams in light produce
coherent optical vortices useful for
advanced photonics like manipulating
nano particles.
Sounds a lot like a tractor beam to me.
Okay, let's get to the good stuff here
because I said, "Okay, great. You didn't
you didn't tell me what I wanted to
know, Grock. What I want to know is
check for uses in fusion and gravity
manipulation." That's what we want to
know about when it comes to our free
electron lasers. So, here we go.
Free free relativistic electrons have
several established and proposed
applications in nuclear fusion research
primarily in enhancing plasma heating
ignition processes and catalyzing
reactions. These leverage the electrons
high energy to overcome barriers like
coolum repulsion between nuclei. Here's
a breakdown. Inertial confinement
fusion. In highintensity laser fusion
setups, relativistic electrons are
generated through laser plasma
interactions.
These electrons can deliver energy
directly to the compressed fuel core,
aiding ignition in schemes like fast
ignition. Whoa, maybe that's what's
going on here. This approach aims for
efficient, clean energy production by
using relativistic effects to focus
energy into imploded plasma without
traditional compression limitations.
For instance, plasma mirrors, we talked
about plasma mirrors or cone targets are
used to produce picoscond pulses of
relativistic electrons that penetrate
and heat the fusion target. Electron
beam induced fusion. Relativistic
electron beams can cause high
temperature dense plasma by focusing on
solid targets. So this is target uh
fusion. You have a pellet and then you
target on that and then you cause some
reaction to occur. catalyzed fusion
reactions including muon catalyzed
fusion. So this can apply in cold fusion
or in hot fusion as well. So it says the
high relativistic velocities reduce
effective repulsion between the nuclei
include increasing fusion probability.
So how do we know this is true? How do
we know this is true? We read a
scientific paper from the cold fusion
fiasco.
It was called something about the vibr
basically using vibration to figure out
why cold fusion worked. And if you
increased vibration,
your probability of fusion skyrocketed
skyrocketed. So there you go. Why does a
relativistic free electron matter?
Because that's what a relativistic free
electron is doing. When you vibrate
things, you're causing relativistic
motion, contraction, and expansion. And
then lastly, the magnetic uh confinement
in tokamax. I hate toax. I won't even
talk about him. Screw you to Tokamax.
You suck. Go to hell. Okay. Uses in
gravity manipulation. In general
relativity, the energy of relativistic
particles, including electrons,
contributes to the curvature of
spaceime, effectively increasing their
gravitational mass. For example,
accelerating electrons to near light
speeds inflates their effective mass,
which could theoretically enhance local
gravitational acceleration without
adding particles. However, for
individual electrons or beams, this
effect is minuscule, far too weak for
any detectable manipulation like
anti-gravity or field control. So, there
you go. Right there, it tells you the
answer is that if you speed these
electrons to near the speed of light,
you will get relativistic effects and
they will become heavier.
So the reason why normie noob physicists
think that we can't achieve the speed of
light is because as you move faster and
faster and faster, you get heavier and
heavier and heavier. Your mass
increases.
And therefore, as your mass increases,
it takes more and more energy to
accelerate you. And therefore, you get a
this curve that goes up like this for
the amount of energy it takes to go
faster and faster and faster.
You can abuse this to manipulate gravity
because now your free electron
is now heavier
than it thinks it is. You're making your
electron seem heavier than it thinks it
is. You're basically making a black
hole.
You're saying, "Hey, these iPods, these
are pretty light. Let's go ahead and
make this a thousand times heavier."
You'd be like, "Wait, what? What do you
mean make it thousand times heavier? How
do you do that?" Well, I'm going to move
it at a really high rate of speed and
now it'll become heavier. That's the
exact same things they're doing. And
yes, that's probably not enough to make
a wormhole. It's not enough to make a
wormhole.
It is enough to make your orb float
around freely in the sky, though,
because the orbs are basically
weightless as it is. So, even a small
amount of force will cause them to float
in whatever direction you want them to
go into, just like a balloon.
Relativistic electrons and accelerators
can probe quantum gravity. So the
quantum gravity is going to be what
they're going to call zero point energy.
I can already see it coming. They're
calling it quantum gravity. Whatever,
bro. I don't care what you call it. And
then studies examine how Earth's
relativism gravity. So I think we the
first one we wanted was the answer. This
is the answer right here. Like how are
these things manipulating gravity? How
are they manipulating gravity? They're
manipulating gravity because they are
able to make themselves heavier from a
relativistic perspective. They're
literally just abusing Einstein's
general relativity.
All the stuff you see happen in the
MH370 videos,
they prove Einstein was right. The
funniest part is the normies think that
Einstein's on their side.
Einstein's the one that believed we
lived in an elastic solid, an elastic
medium. He's the one that predicted
gravitational waves.
Einstein's the one that didn't
understand spooky action at a distance.
Didn't want to believe that it could be
real. But it is real. It is. And it's
undeniable and there must be an
explanation for it. So, let's go back to
this scientific paper.
Let's go back to this. Now that we have
a better understanding
of why the free electron is so
important, now we understand why they
were writing this scientific paper.
field propulsion concepts 1983. So this
is really old. So they were already
talking about free electron laser and
the technical bottleneck for making this
work is the free electron laser. Look at
this. Look at that.
You are looking at one of the first
configurations right here for an a
neutronic fusion reactor.
You are looking at one of the first
configurations for an autonic fusion
reactor right here.
Look at the uh do you guys see in the
middle of the screen here these north
south magnets? Look at how they
alternate. See how the magnets alternate
here?
So what they're doing is they're getting
the electrons to go down this path in
the middle where they get squeezed
together and then the electrons have to
vibrate up and down like this because of
the magnetic fields. This is how they
get that synretron radiation or whatever
the hell they call it. You get all the
electrons that start oscillating along
these magnetic fields right through the
middle of this thing right here.
And that is what Loheed Martin's fusion
reactor is doing. That's what these
autronic fusion reactors are doing. They
have alternating magnetic fields
throughout the middle. And they have
them in a ring format though. In a ring
format, not barb, but that's the idea
right there. And so you just get it to
oscillate the way you want it to
oscillate. Once everything begins to
oscillate in a coherent pattern, you're
going to start seeing these relativistic
effects start to occur right there. So,
I'm glad maybe I'll just search for free
electron. I guess this is the money,
right? And the other point is why this
is so crazy is that this says this is
the bottleneck.
So, we knew this science and technology
was real. We knew the science and
technology was real back in the 80s, but
we had the bottleneck is we needed these
extremely powerful lasers.
We need these extremely powerful lasers
to make it happen. And then we got the
lasers. That's why ATOC laser won the
Nobel Prize. That's why chirp pulse
amplification won the Nobel Prize
because we started figuring out how to
make these lasers. And the reality here
is they had this laser figured out in
the military in the black world decades
ago, probably in the 90s, maybe even
before that. Let's see what else we got.
Free electron laser amplifier
scaling relations for the power output
of gain of expanded storage ring for
free electron lasers.
If the vapor produced from the hot
particles has a lower ionization
potential than that of the constituents
of air, it is possible that the first
free electron aes are emitted from the
ionized vapor. The particles can also
emit electrons thermally as they are
heated. Even though the latter emission
process is impaired by electrostatic,
excuse me, effects.
Okay, what else we got?
More free electron lasers. High
electrostatic forces would drive free
electrons to the end of these fibers
producing
prior to there being sheared off. The
goal will be to produce a large surface
area, high charge per mass.
Oh, here you go. Relativistic Ebeam
propagation.
endo atmospheric
look. And then you have this cone going
around it. So you have this accelerator,
you have this tube in the middle,
electron beam in the middle, and then
you have this cone going around the
tube. I mean, this is basically what the
orbs are, right? Ebeam blow up,
formation of the charged cloud. So you
have your electron beam and then you
have a negatively charged cloud of
electrons surrounding it.
Wow.
Yeah, this is definitely what we're
looking at, guys. This is definitely
what we're looking at on in the MH370
videos. Okay, so this whole document,
entire document is about using high
powered lasers for propulsion. We just
saw a whole thing about how we can use
these free electron lasers for autonic
fusion propulsion. And now you see this
whole thing about air breathing magneto
hydrodnamics
uh as well as ionizing the air to
produce these bubbles of electrons
around our object.
So our orbs that we're seeing are using
a lightened version of gravity
manipulation using high energy lasers.
So the conclusion that I've reached over
a long period of time here is that we
have both smallcale gravity manipulation
which can produce fusion and fusion
plasma orbs and fusion reactant and
clean energy. But we also have a high
energy version of gravity manipulation
which takes those same fusion reactor
orbs, combines them and uses them as the
basis producing a catalyzed effect or a
compounding effect that causes an actual
wormhole in spaceime. So you take one
individual plasma a neutronic fusion orb
and by itself it's not going to teleport
a plane. You can produce a huge amount
of energy from it though. Huge amount of
energy, gigawatts of excess energy just
flying through the sky. And if you
combine three of those together,
that's how you take your autonic fusion
power plant and you convert it to a huge
amount of energy that actually manip
manipulates the fabric of spaceime
itself.
And maybe even according to our most
recent theories, which are pretty out
there, maybe there's a shortcut
like how this zero point energy, imagine
it's like a calm ocean. But what if you
could figure out those those ocean waves
and now all you have to do is like dip
underneath one wave and now you're over
here somewhere. Maybe there's an easier
way to teleport where you just basically
duck underneath the wave for a second
and now you appear somewhere else.
That's what we're going to be
investigating in future live streams.
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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and I'm here with John Wyber and we're going to be delving in to the FBI, their
how clean are their hands. We're going to look at some historical points that I have found and we're going to listen to
John take us through his research and findings. But before we do that, John, thank you for being here. Tell us a
little bit about yourself, who you are and what you do. What's up, Ron? Uh, thanks for having me, man. I'm uh, you know, a lowly uh,
Canadian kuck here. I worked in government for 10 years, so I I worked in politics. I was in the the anals of
power as they say. Um so don't judge me for it. I did used to wear, you know, the whole monkey suit,
the tie. I had the little [ __ ] badge, you know, I'd flash it at security. I really thought my [ __ ] didn't stink.
Uh so that was all throughout my 20s. I uh you know, proud to say I got blacklisted from the Conservative party
and then I was uh blacklisted from the Liberals as well. So I actually worked for both parties. Wow. Okay.
Here's the uh here's the uh spoiler alert. Okay, Ron. Okay, they're the same. It's the same [ __ ]
There's no There's no difference. The money comes from the same place. Yeah, they have different morals,
but like they are operated exactly the same. They are the members of parliament are told what to say by the party. They
do not represent constituents and uh they all take money from the same people. And maybe that's why nothing
interesting. Interesting indeed. Well, it makes it sense changed. Maybe that's why you see, you know, it's like,
well, what haven't we can't we why is things just getting worse? So, basically what you're saying, what we're summarizing here is the people
that are investing and building up these politicians on both sides for their parties are playing both sides. So, the
individuals who are buying the or or donating, shall we say, to to these
parties. It's a win-win for them. It's it's keeping both sides sweet for whose strings are going to get pulled, right?
I think uh you know I think the Wall Street Bros would say they're hedging their bets. They're hedging their bets. Hell yeah.
Yeah. All right. Uh okay. So I I'll be honest with you. I've not paid much attention
to as hard as much attention to the FBI as I had in the Cash Patel era of the
FBI. So should we start just talking about that and then we'll sort of digress into
other areas or do you want to build up to Cash Patel? You'd rather set the story of shenanigans during and prior
and then we'll end with that lovely gem. It's up to yourself. [ __ ] I don't know. I don't know. Ron
I think Cash Mattel's We could just start there. Like I mean the guy came in. Let's talk about just the FBI in
general. You remember how Mega wanted to defund the FBI? That was like a big
thing. People forget this [ __ ] but during Trump's uh election campaign,
that was a big movement. a lot of Americans talking about listen they're overextended uh they're there's too much
secrecy they're not serving Americans interests anymore they're serving their own we should defund the FBI and
actually cash this fell right here was a big proponent of that u funny enough uh
as as the wheels turn and cash was put into power we see you know nothing change Epstein files not released in
fact they tried to deny they even existed I mean all these things and then having said all that Now, and I know I'm
going a little off topic here, Mr. Swanson, but I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that.
So, all these people that wanted to defund a three-letter agency for being too secret.
Yeah. Uh are now supporting another three-letter agency, which is shooting American citizens in the face. Uh so,
you know, that's kind of ironic in a grimthetic sad kind of way, right? So, I
mean, so having said all of that, the FBI has some very interesting
connections to serial killers. And this is something that I've just discovered. So, I'm
I'm not even talking about I'm not even talking about like uh you know, see see before we segue just before we
segue, John, right? Before we segue with with Cash Patel, I don't think I'd
ever seen anyone of his position on a podcast during their career. Like you
might have a former this or that going on and discussing things. And I've spoken to a couple of people uh who are
connected with the channel who are ex FBI and they're like, "Yeah, it's never happened." Right. Did you get a sort of
spidey sense tingling that we're now seeing the off mainstream media
being recognized for its power for shifting people's opinions because the Joe Rogan show massive and the people
that go there are the people that have given up on traditional media for news and information I I believe and it was
quite a concerning moment when I realized that we're now going to see audiences harnessed uh for this game.
Yeah, I worry. Listen, Joe still makes some great points.
Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, get the bag, homie, all day. Uh 100%. Having said that, I I I worry that is
what it was, Ron. I 100% that is what it could have been. Now, I
have a little different perspective on it. I think uh I think this side of the
media sphere has now been infiltrated by the uh by the mainstream. And so what
you're seeing is now rather than Rogan, you know, holding people accountable, it's become a platform for, you know,
Elon Musk and Trump's mega buddies to go on there uh and uh justify [ __ ]
Yeah, there was a lot of interesting things. And like when when Cash Patel like goes on a podcast in like a hoodie talking
about his [ __ ] meme coin that he made or whatever, it's like that's such a weird look. Like I don't know who's
advising him that. Like I don't want to see the director dressed up like me. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm got that
covered. We need like we do need professional. Is this is this uh the introduction of
FBI bro culture? Is this what we're seeing here? Because that's that sounds Yeah. And that sounds horrific to me. FBI culture.
But I mean, does that not just the very pinnacle of a government think tank? Do you know what I'm saying? That's like some 21 Jump Street movie theme stuff.
Okay, listen. We're going to put you in a hoodie, send you on a podcast, and you're going to talk about the meme
coins. Okay? Trust me, bro. It's it's a weird tool. But I'll be honest with you, I don't know a single
other name of an FBI guy that ran the FBI. Was Jay Edgar Hoover? Was he or was
he a president? I don't know. But he was involved in something. Other than that, no other name.
So, they've done well. They've done well with the marketing of Cash Patel because I I've never heard of I would never have
known. You know, do you know what I'm saying? So, are we going to start seeing a shift in
Trump's government to almost try and reality TV showy these people because
happening now? I think that's I think we're there, right? And I think, you know, you look at Cash Mattel, like, listen, man.
This guy literally got caught red-handed flying jets around America on the
taxpayer's dollar to go see his little [ __ ] girlfriend sing a country song. Like, this is not not conspiracy.
There's open files that say he spent millions of dollars using the FBI private jet to go to his girlfriend's
concert. And I mean, God bless you, bro. You're hot. She is hot. But like, I mean, like, let's boil that down.
That's like if you had a company car that you weren't meant to use out of ours and you went it's just I understand
it's a jet it's a lot more expensive. Okay. But do you think the ego of these
individuals is the reason why they think they're unstoppable because clearly they get told yeah go ahead and use it.
Like they're like yeah that's yours. We'll make up a reason. They'll say, I mean, I know for a fact I know uh All
right, I'm I gota I got to say this carefully. I like the guy. I like the guy that I'm about to talk about today.
Okay, but I know for a fact that there's a politician uh that took his girlfriend to Paris on the taxpayers's dollar uh
and just said, "Yeah, she's my uh volunteer assistant." You know, so it's like, you know, these things happen and have happened forever.
You know, having said that, if I used my company car, that would be money that I made off my own [ __ ] blood and sweat
and tears. I'm with you. Okay. So, it's not a car that the taxpayers are paying for. It's certainly not a [ __ ]
jet. Yeah. Oh, I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. Now, with all of this
going on, and we know that there's a history of shenanigans with transportation and ladies and all this
kind of stuff. Sure. Then we have to assume we can upscale that in the criminality mindset. And
there are those who would be willing to do much darker uh things.
You ever heard of the the benality of evil? You ever heard that expression, Ron? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I couldn't explain
it to you, but as a podcaster doesn't want to look silly, I will agree. Yes. It's the Nuremberg trials. It's it's
these uh you know, the German officers that were just trying to get a promotion. You know what I mean? So, it's like when
you lock into people, when you have people so kind of focused on a system or brainwashed or, you know, drowning in
propaganda, you know, pick one or all of the above. I think we're dealing with all of those things right now, right? So, it's like
you can make a person very evil just by pushing them to get a promotion. And that's [ __ ] thing right there.
Yeah. 100%. And a lot of people when we talk about a lot of the the sort of
horrific religious and occultist abuse that takes place, people often assume these are all career
child predators and things like this, but people will do horrific things in the name of power and money
and control. Think about it, you know, too. Like we're what when you're in desperate times and you got a family to feed, man.
Like honestly, you know, I I'm I'm a I'm I'm I'm a I'm a complex individual, Ron. I I wrote some novels in my youth and I
I've always studied literature. I've always been fascinated crime and crime figures. So, I have an empathetic side that I
understand. I even understand some someone that wants to provide for their family doing terrible things. It's like,
listen, I'm not trying to let you off the hook or rationalize it, but I don't necessarily blame them. I blame the
[ __ ] system, which pushes them to the point where they think they have to do that evil [ __ ] That's where I'm at with
it. Right. I blame the system creating monsters. Right. Okay. But do you not feel that we need
to step back and realize that as a culture, we've messed up, become too complacent, and allowed this to happen?
Because those who those who want to stand there and say, "Hey, I'm in this situation and I can't
get out of it." As a society, we are we've put too much trust in governments
and individuals who have fed us lies and now we are deep in it and we're starting
to realize that unless there's serious change, it's when does stuff get any
better? Never. So, we need to put a pin in this now. Okay? And we need to start be moving forward from this point
because if the ball keeps rolling, it only rolls down. We keep expecting some uh great brave
new leader to come in and fix everything, right? I don't think there's been a true leader
uh you know, especially like I'm going to speak specifically in America here, but since they killed JFK, since CIA
killed I say the same thing. I say the same thing actual representative of the people since that day. So, you know,
Yeah. I mean, we could probably sit here and do a whole PowerPoint on arguing that if there was a point in which the
elections became out of America's hands, that was the last time that the powers that be allowed, you crazy folk free
will to elect someone who's going to shut down the CIA and expose all the government secrets. Do you know what I'm
saying? Um, and I I feel the exact same way. 100% 100%
100%. How do you guys feel over there? Uh, have you faced any scrutiny, if you don't mind me asking, Ron, with your uh,
have we faced any scrutiny? Well, like I want you might want to brace yourself.
So, we've got close to 14 and a half thousand people in prison for social media posts. I know that. I know.
Uh, we've got close to 90 Sharia law courts that have been established throughout the UK. We have a clear
law courts. Correct. the United Arab the United Arab Emirates which are the very progressive
uh Muslim states around the world have made it illegal for their students to come to the UK now because we have been
declared the number one terrorist radicalization hot spot in the world. So
basically what that means if you're a young progressive Muslim who comes to the UK you're going to be targeted by
extremist individuals and we're the number one recruitment site in the world now. Stick that on your flipping I've
just come back from the UK travel sticker. What else? Anything else? Anything else you want to know? Like
here I got one for you. I got one actually. I just I'm pulling it up. I don't want to [ __ ] it up. But basically I read uh that uh 14 I think it's
14,000. It's funny that the number is 14,000 also. But there's a [ __ ] ton of wealthy uh British people leaving the UK
right now. Um it just dropped. I think it's uh And where what's the number one place
they're heading? But I'll see where's the where's the number one place they're heading, John. Where's the number one place?
That's what I was trying to look. Where are they? I can guarantee you I would probably say over 60% will be heading to places like
Dubai uh and other and other places because there's just it's it's just
seems to be what is happening in the UK. Anyone that can afford to get the [ __ ] out basically is getting out of the UK
right now. That's that was what I took from the article and I saw that just this morning. Any white person that can
afford to get It's crazy. Yeah, that sucks. And and England is a a vast contrast to
where Scotland is. And but Scotland's getting real real bad. It really My grandmother was from Glasgow. So, you
know, that's not great to hear. But, uh, you know, like listen, that's that's your grandma must have been a badass,
bro. Well, she wasn't from a place called Paisley, was she? I'm not sure. You know, I Yeah, that's a whole different ballgame.
Okay. Right. Let's let's let's let's veer this back. So, the FBI and human
transportation, as we have to say on YouTube, human, it's it it's
one of those things. I mean, there's going to be bad eggs. And what's your what's your kind of presentation with it
all, John? Okay. So, I'm going to just start off. You ever heard of the octopus conspiracy? Uh Danny Castellaro?
No. No. Take it away. So, Danny Castellaro was murdered. He's he uh he he uh [ __ ] I gota We're on
YouTube, aren't we? unal alived himself by there we go uh hurting himself on his uh wrist a
bunch of times 20 times in fact he managed to make sense of course yeah yeah of course all
all his literature all all the research he had been working on disappeared that night but they ruled it you know the uh
the smooshai so it's like okay you know no nothing to see here now now what he
was working on is an intricate conspiracy that connects uh the Iron Iron Contra affair the October surprise,
all these sort of things that happened throughout the late 70s and 80s. Now, there's a couple key people. I'm just
going to start throwing some names out. So, there's this guy named Philip Arthur Thompson,
and anyone watching is feel free to Google that guy. Now, he had been Let's go through some his rap sheet. Okay. Uh
he was uh kidnapping uh robbery, rape, [ __ ] sorry. Uh grape,
murder, attempted murder. Um he was uh dis distribution of substances. All all
all all this guy never went to jail. FBI informant uh was pretty much given cart
blanch to go out there. He orchestrated numerous hits allegedly. All of this I
guess is allegedly although he was charged with these crimes. So I don't know where's the alleged in that anymore. Basically the FBI would be like
no no we still need this guy. It's okay. He may have you know taken the lives of a few people but we're just going to let
that slide. So that that in itself is concerning. You would you would Okay. So he was he a career criminal or
was he FBI? So he was a career criminal and the FBI have know his rap sheet and
they've went you're still an asset effect. Right. Is it the chicken or the egg? Like did the FBI make him that so that he can
infiltrate underworld? Like I I who knows. Okay. Okay. So what what you're possibly saying is there could be individuals who
are allowed to pursue their career career path with help with unknowing help from the FBI. You know what I'm
saying? We'll arrest your enemies. We'll let you grow. We'll give the name of someone maybe
because it makes more sense to to have a a mark that's going to potentially be
used have no knowledge of how they got to where they're going. Makes it way safer, right?
And that's very interesting. John, carry on with that. So, I mean, at the end of the day, this guy uh this guy ended up
uh I think he was put away eventually in the early 2000s. Now, he was connected with a guy named John Philip Nichols,
another FBI informant, and there was a a fellow named Michael Reconnaissudo,
uh who was also connected to intelligence agencies. Now, these people were all involved in uh uh Walter White,
uh type businesses, if you catch breaking down. So, they were doing stuff like that. they were creating um uh uh privacy
surveillance software for the government, right? So then this is like the early stages of Palunteer like this
is like you know back uh back before we even had home computers but these things already they already had the
surveillance of course software made even before we had the computers so we were cooked even before
we knew it right but so having said all that you know that's just one that's a new rabbit hole that I just unlocked but
I think when you reached out Originally we were talking about a fella uh named
um named sorry two seconds uh sorry mate
uh so the fella it's the fellow related to John Wayne Gayy sorry my notes you
know what I did I made don't worry don't my my audience are used to my ADHD where mid conversation
my brain deletes everything I'm saying and they have to wait 30 seconds for my brain to reboot
so you know well I'll take this opportunity to make sure you guys all Sean's links are down in the description. Uh, make sure you guys like
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haven't already, please do like and share. It really does appreciate. I know you hear me say like and share, but I
actually need you to actually do those things. And uh, yeah, I appreciate it. I am going to put up a video for people
who say they're watching on their TV and can't figure it out. Boomers, I've got you covered. Uh, so John. Okay. So, his
name's David Norman. And uh he So, there was this fellow named Dean Coral. Uh
Dean Coral, Cor L. He was uh he he murdered about uh 30
to, you know, at least 30 young high school boys and girls. Now, he had a
young kid, local kid going around and he would give the kid 200 bucks for every
high school kid that he would bring over to Dean Coral's house. And then, you know what would happen? So eventually
that kid snapped one day and and and uh unal alived Dean Coral. And what
happened was there was this connection. Now here's the thing. So this guy David uh David Norman
was connected with Dean Coral. He was also connected with a fellow named John Wayne Gayy. So David Norman was part of
a group called the Odyssey uh the Odyssey group. And basically what that
was was a uh a human transportation group specifically children. Um and uh
they found because of all of this fallout because of the Dean Coral arrest and the John Wayne Gasey arrest they
were able to the FBI got their hands on now it's disputed. This is literally it's like it was either 30,000
documents or 100,000 but it was 30,000 to 100,000 documents which had names of
clients for this Odyssey group. And now the Odyssey group had many for it. Yeah.
So so we're talking about 30 to 100,000 names of pedos, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you. You know PDFs.
We're going to say PDFs. What do you think PDFs? What do you think the FBI did with that? What do you think they did with the
list? They better have shut it down, bro. Like, they better have shut it down. Destroyed the list. No, they destroyed
the list. They destroyed the list. It's interesting because and then there was a Senate committee hearing about why they did it, which of
course our [ __ ] useless government and Senates didn't [ __ ] really do anything, but they pretended to care. Like, it's not it's not conspiracy. It's
not hypothetical. They destroyed the list of of 100,000 PDFs that we could
have arrested. Wow. Yes. Okay. Let me just let me just make sure my brain heard all this. Yeah. So, we've got individuals like Dean
Coral and it was was it the Dean Coral case that the Odyssey group was discovered or was it another case? It was that case. Okay.
Now, I'm not being funny like this is the Candyman. Yeah. I didn't rec It was this. It wasn't
until I seen this image. Yes, that's who it is. That I realized who we're talking about here. Yes. Yes. And it's very interesting when
we have monsters that are allowed to roam whose crime turns out to be access
to children, unaliving of children, horrible things with children, and suspicious handling of files. Okay.
And why would the FBI do that? Like what why would the FBI do that? That's a great question, right? They're
either they they the names on the list were so shocking they couldn't let it be
released or they're complicit allegedly in what's
happening, right? I don't I mean or or like they're literally so incompetent. Well, here's here's my here's my
algorithm. Here's my algorithm for it, John. Yeah. If you were the FBI agent that set fire
to that Okay. Yeah. You being blamed for burning the evidence of a 100,000 PDFs in your head
isn't as bad as what would have happened if it hadn't have been burnt. And for me, that has to only be justifiable if
you're an evil monster protecting other evil monsters. Do you see what I mean? If it was a list of all of the like um
the undercover Navy Seal agents would get it, right? Can have that going in. Get rid of that. No, I agree.
So why then would you do something that the whole world would condemn you for?
Well, it's because what you're hiding would have been a lot worse, right? And that only points to evil. Only points to
evil, bro. Do you want me to blow your [ __ ] mind now? Cuz Listen, I'm prepared for it. Okay, I'm ready. I pulled my hoodie up so that
brain matter can be caught. We're there. What if this thing we're talking about was like pretty much the original
Epstein list? And and I say that not just based on [ __ ] conjecture. You
know, it's a bit of conjecture, but listen, Robert Maxwell, Just Lane Maxwell's father is connected to all of
this. Okay. Connected to all of this. Remember I mentioned the spy software with the
octopus murder conspiracy? Yep. Well, it was called Promise. And do you
know who a proponent, lobbyist, creator of the software Promise was? Well, it was Robert [ __ ] Maxwell. And that's
documented, too. So, that little lady's father, who was a well-known MSAD agent,
actually, he was considered the best uh the best Israeli surveillance intelligence agent of his generation.
Wouldn't it be interesting if what you were referring to was the newly discovered Israeli surveillance
algorithm for every iPhone on the planet where it's a it's a there it's a soft
entrance software. So, you don't have to click on anything. They can just that it is the origin of that. Is this
the stuff they pretty that's mindblowing. Uh I don't know if I can quick cut to a to a YouTube short, but
that dude, the hacker dude that's been going around all the podcast with all the cool equipment. I can't remember his name. That dude, he was talking about it
and he shows Is it Ryan Montgomery? That guy. Yes, 100%. I make content with Ryan. We're We're
He's He showed Aiden Ross how this works, right? how this works through
giving Aiden Ross what looked like a regular USB cable. Not a USB block, just
the cable. Right soon as he plugged it in, that was it. It was done. It was done. This whole phone, everything
accessed and it's accessed where it protects the user who's accessing it
by allowing you to display the functionality or hide. It's wild. So, I wonder if that's what he was
working on. This is uh this I mean they've been working on this. It's funny a when you start looking at this whole big picture,
you start to go, damn, they've been kind of planning this [ __ ] for a minute, you know, because it's like the the whole
Promise software, what they did and this and so now here's the thing. You can back this up by looking at the Edward Snowden leaks
because Edward Snow So Promise basically the the allegations when Danny Castellaro was killed. I know I'm
throwing lots of names at your audience right now, so I you know I do apologize, but these are all important names you
should know. So when Danny Castellaro was doing his investigation, he was proposing that this promise software
which was advocated for by her father um you know uh and had murderers connected
to it in in you know peacemeal ways you know it it was designed to be sold to
foreign governments uh and un unknowingly to them it would
backdo there's Danny it would backdo their security apparatus and then the US
government could spy on them. That's what the allegation was. Well, Edward Snowden in 2011 came out and showed us
that that's exactly what was [ __ ] happening. So, you know, like it's all
there's no more conspiracies anymore, bro. I think it's all just like they haven't quite released enough files for
you to understand that that did actually happen. That's where I'm at. Yeah. Yeah. Uh it is only iPhones. Okay.
I just want to point that out. The idea No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I just wanted to get back. I'm actually when I
Google Danny Cast Castellaro, there's some there's a couple other pictures where Danny does not look very
good. I'm afraid he I'm assuming it didn't end well at all for Danny Castle Harrow.
No, it didn't. No, he's Did he get I'm assuming he's he's the classic example of it got too close to
the He told his brother if anything happens to me, it was not an accident. Two weeks later, he uh was found in a bathtub in a
hotel. Wow. And a bathtub in a hotel. Like I just want everybody,
like I said, all of his research, his novel he was working on, The Octopus Conspiracy, well, it was conveniently
gone. They never found it. This is the gentleman who unalived himself with cutting himself 20 times.
Is that what we're saying? Got you. Okay, I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. Wow.
Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Okay. It's like when you lay this stuff out even to the
most like rational person who's just focused on their dayto-day and doesn't have time to get, you know, indulge my,
you know, fantasy conspiracies. It's like it's like it's like you said earlier, a sevenyear-old could look at
that. Oh, yeah. Be like, that's not right. Like that's And it's And I don't know why people aren't more pissed off
about it. They're killing our friends and families and we're doing and like and and we're and then it's calling it,
you know, a self-inflicted thing when when it's so clearly not. I tell you what, John, let's play let's
spend five minutes playing a game, right? And the title of the game is called why the hell
does why at what point are we going to react to this? Where when does the where's the line for people? Right? So,
for example, building 7, 9/11, all the conspiracy around that, the fact that
the building fell down in perfect, you know, 90 or 30 foot uh cut up segments,
right? We're just going to look past that. We're just going to look past it. It's going to look past that. There's so much of it throughout history. Do you think
that they've weaponized our complacency to just put up with, well, if it's not
on the real news, it's not real news. And do you think to some extent those who've moved away from the real news
would rather exist in a semi-state of denial because who's going to listen?
It's mass psychosis on both sides. It really is. Trust me, Ron. I I I like listen there's
a lot of people doing what I do now. And uh you know they have a right to do that in power too. I don't think I don't
think the majority of them are actually have the capacity to do what I do though. I worked in government 10 years.
I wrote three novels. I've read hundreds of, you know, novels of literature. I'm not I'm just saying I'm no superhuman,
but I've just read a lot and worked in government. So, when I give you a nuanced opinion on what's happening, I'm
not just pulling it out of my ass like a lot of these other a lot of these other people. So, so
what I'm saying I think they have intentionally muddied the water to the point and now you have
AI involved with all this too, right, Ron? Oh, yeah. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. What is real? And when you're asking
that question, they've already won. Because if we don't know, if we don't know for sure when I watch a video, if
that video is real, like I don't know how we move forward from here. Well, listen. I had a weird moment the
other day, bro, where I was watching a YouTube short and it was one of these like emotional
like baby animal needs help and nurse back to help with like do you remember
like the the something dodo animal rescue content that was it's been around
for years cuz they actually showcase animal rescue content. Yes. It was like that kind of a theme. Now it
initiated an emotional response of me shedding a tear, right? And then I
realized it was AI and I went, "Oh my god." I was like, "Oh my god." I was
like, "If this was the other way, if this was rage bait, if this was like whatever." And obviously it's a lot
easier to lower your guard to a nice animal video than say a video of a politician, you know, gearing up like
Arie and Commando, right? But bro, it really got me. And I just wondered to
myself, where's everybody else's guard for the level of AI like emotional
drawing you in content because it's really it really angered me that they got me like I'll be honest,
bro. Oh, this is such a synchronicity. I have an ex my stories even more on like
listen. Okay, so this guy called Allan Watts and I didn't know who he was. He's this philosopher, modern day
philosopher, okay? And I came across this video on the YouTubes and it was uh how to never
get angry again. I swear to God that's what the video is called. Okay. And I watch it and it's this beautiful.
He's talking about oh words are just empty air coming out of some other human's mouth and you're letting them
affect you so much and all this and brilliant. Beautiful. Yep. Guess what?
It wasn't actually an Allen Watt speech. It was an AI generated like they took
all of his lectures and then barfed out this thing. Yep.
Before I knew that I was literally quoting the video in my head walking down the street. Don't get angry. And
when I found out it was AI, guess what I did? I got real [ __ ] angry.
Well, do you know it's funny, right? Because we could listen to it again. And what if we find out one day, right, that
those videos are the AI trying to help us, but doing it in the worst possible
way. What if there's an AI bit of software going, right, listen, we've got to try and like help the humans to just
chill out a little bit. Okay, we'll put this together. And then then they've had an AI meeting and went, "Oh, no. We that
was the wrong idea. They hate us more now. They hate they're switching off the servers."
Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Because it gets you there's a chance it's benevolent. There's a chance that it it it actually works.
Oh yeah, we're we're way past that argument, bro. Like, but here's when when you say to an AI company, "Hey, can
you stop your AI from producing these images?" And they go, "Well, we can we can ask it. We can see how it
feels about it." That's when you start getting worrying. But the main point of this was it got you. It got me. It got
me on an emotional level. It got you on an inspired level. Yes. Now, yes, we are pretty much internet raised by,
you know, internet style later in life people, right? And
like there's a lot of people that don't know the difference and it's going to be
so heavily weaponized, especially currently. We've got the whole um ICE
shenanigans that's going on. There's the pros, there's the negatives, there's the hey, you know, people jumping in front
of cars, there's there's people's homes being raided. It's a lot. It's a lot. And the AI is it is running rampant,
bro. Like, it really is. It's stoking. It's stoking emotions on. It's just like we just both talked
about. And what we like to think we're two uh two dudes that maybe get it a bit better than the average citizen. So,
imagine what it's doing to just [ __ ] Joe Schmo who's got the Forest Gump IQ.
you know, and I'm not trying to be mean. Like that guy can probably do stuff I can't do if he's a blue trade, you know,
a trades guy. I'm I suck at that [ __ ] right? So, so like I'm not trying to like down talk anyone. I'm saying
though, if you don't have the right mental capacity to deal with all this information, right? You're lost. You're
and you're and I you and I have the added bonus of universal health care in our countries, right? And there's a
subsection of Americans who have a definite need for some help but have
access to a lot of weaponry. Okay? And if you wanted to radicalize a population
and and create little events around that that nation, AI and the way that America
is structured creates a vulnerable area um where people are going to get
radicalized, but they're not going to realize it's been pushed upon them because they've the the most
important thing is if you can radicalize someone, but get them to that point where they think they've got themsel
there. Yeah. Yeah. Matt, that's that's your kamicazi soldier
right there, right? 100%. And you know, 100%. Let's and like let's go there. Like I I
I was dancing tiptoeing around it. Like look, man, I'm here in Canada. We have the uh Indian problem. Um
we have we we've let in six million immigrants over the last 10 years, which
is 30% of our population. Okay. Yeah. Most of them came from India.
So, do do I worry about the state of my culture? [ __ ] absolutely. Listen, I do. Having
said that, do I think that would I ever trust a government militarized agency to
fix the [ __ ] problem? No. Cuz I 84. I read Eldest Huxley. Like, I I not once
has any of these secret police things ever worked out. On top of that, it's our own goddamn fault for not having
enough babies here in Canada. Oh, yeah. Okay. But here in Canada, if we didn't
bring all these [ __ ] in, our our our welfare system would have collapsed two years ago because the baby
boomers are all retiring and there's not enough youngans working to keep the system in place. It's the same thing
happening around the Western world. So, let's go deeper. Why did that happen? Well, was it because of liberal
ideologies and woke culture that allowed feminism to grow to the point where being a mother somehow became an
oppressive thing? And that's an interesting one. So now we got to bring in these immigrants. But now that justifies
Starmer, that cuck bringing in digital ID because things are so out of hand and
out of control. It's designed of course convinced they
can only be by design. There's not a level of incompetence that justifies it. It has to be. By the way, I love by by
that bare admission. It's treason. Okay? It's a treasonous silent invasion.
And listen, it's not about bringing in immigrants or refugees. It's about the
importance of integration and actual help that you can do when you're spending state money. Look at Poland as
an example. over two million refugees from the Ukraine, mainly elderly women
and children. Because the people that are coming into my country, brother, are military-aged men. So by that
assumption, they've went, "Okay, they've sat their wife and kids down and went, right, listen, I'm going to leave you
here in the war. I'm going to go get your refugee status. See you later."
Makes no sense. Okay, we've got another country allowing the vehicles to leave
their border to then come to our border. that no one seems to be a 12-year-old with a stick with a sharp point on the
end of it could counteract these dingies. Okay, it's not difficult. It's not difficult. Uh and it's changed a lot
of people. And the culture thing you were worried about cultural concerns only come from when a force is
oppressive against not integrating. They want to assimilate, not integrate.
And that's what we are seeing here. And that's the real fear for us because we've had a vast uh and varied
population for years and that's how I've grown up. There is nothing to do with
race. It's entirely to do with I want my country standards held to the same as Walmart. If Walmart closes its doors at
10 p.m. and I kick my way in, that's illegal. Same standards, please, for the
country. All I'm saying, there we go. No, look, at the end of the day, I try and remember this. I don't really give a
[ __ ] Uh, you know what race you are, what religion you are. It's like if you're not part of the 1% whether you
know it or not, you're on my side, bro. And it's like, so I try and just if I got to do it one by one, I will try and
win these people over. But you're breaking. You got to fight a lot of things. You got to fight uh a culture uh
based on country. You got to fight a culture based on religion. You got to fight a culture based on some sort of defined identity that the internet has
given them. Right? Right. So, having said all of that, can we just like I'm
at the point where I'm like, listen, I'm here in Canada. I know there's lots of issues in the Middle East.
I don't [ __ ] want to be the one dealing with any of them, whether it's Israel or Qatar or [ __ ] Afghanistan.
How about you all just how about we just let them figure their [ __ ] out? Stop break like I don't know. And I know
that's a that's a dis at the point where I'm like, [ __ ] them all. I don't care about any of the
problems in the Middle East as much as I care about just keeping my country intact. That's that's the mindset a lot of
people have, right? And a lot of people feel guilt about even contemplating
those thoughts. But here's the thing. If Canada if Canada
if Canada and America and the UK were completely smashing existence for their
own people, okay, I'm talking like everyone's getting three foreign
holidays a year. your bills are paid. All your kids have the whatever shoes and [ __ ] they want. If we were living
that lifestyle, this is how we should be acting. Let's help the world. Let's help
this country. I'm sorry if I'm going to someone whose life isn't together to get advice on my
life. It's the same thing. We need to have our own things in check before we start allowing this. Now, let me ask you
this. If you watch somebody drown in a swimming pool, you should be accountable
for that person's life. In the same way as if a government is allowing the silent invasion of a population into a
nation, how is that not the same thing as standing and allowing not only an invasion, but what could be argued as
transportation? Cuz I'm telling you this, John, the seats on the boats ain't free. Okay.
Because there's And I'm just saying someone's cashing in on this. Oh yeah.
And and and at the same time, right, the left shits while the right cleans it up. So it's like the left creates this
massive immigration problem across the West. And what happens? Well, big daddy
Trump and Big Daddy Starmer come in with their ICE agents and their digital IDs and they say, "Hey, look this. Yeah.
Yeah, it is out of control. How'd this happen?" Right? Well, they [ __ ] did it together. That's what I mean when I
say there's no difference between the left and the right anymore. They work together. They trick you. It's like you're talking about earlier, creating a
[ __ ] infidel without the infidel realizing, you know what I mean? Creating a brainwashed zombie soldier
without realizing it. So, and and and in America and and and in Canada, too, but
not to the thank God, not quite to the extent, but the polarization and the fact that these citizens tie their
political ideology to their identity is a dangerous thing. You should give us
you you should care about politics. You should, you know, you shouldn't care about the people you're voting for, but
you shouldn't want to like die for them and you shouldn't want to like How about if you're married and are
capable How about if you're in any of these countries and in a relationship and you both consent to this idea? Just
bang your wife and make some people for the love of God, right? Just just make some people. I've made seven. I've made
seven. I'm holding down the fort here. Okay? I'm holding down the fort. You guys just need to,
you know, get get going. Get going. Okay. I want to You're going to sit with down your
miss and say, "Right, listen. I watched the podcast today and I'm convinced now that over the next seven years, we need
five children. Five new children. This is what we're going to do." Okay. Uhhuh. How are we going to fund this?
You're going to start an Etsy store and you're going to nick your way through pregnancy. That's what we're going to do. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's That's Hey,
man. It's like I saw this beautiful picture of a a family from like the 60s and it's like the mom's making this
massive beautiful dinner of non-GMO [ __ ] food, meat and potatoes, all
that. And the kids are laughing at the table, the father's got his arm around the wife, and it's like somehow we made
this oppressive. You know what I mean? Like we made we convinced people that this was oppressive. I think we need to
start edging back towards that. Sadly, now
everything's a pendulum and unfortunately, human nature takes the takes the pendulum and we go way too far
one way or the other with it. If we could just get it to stop somewhere closer to the middle, I think I think we
could actually have ourselves a good time again, you know? Oh, no. I've told you how to have a good time. Sit your wife down, okay, and
explain the situation. All right. I just want to say Oliver's mom, I'm sorry for going on at you a little bit on Friday.
I do apologize. I just seen you in my side chat there. I got a bit out of control. Um, okay. So, it's interesting
though, but if people want to actually look beyond the meme of what we're talking about here, go and have a look at France and other countries that have
shifted uh from a primary religious faith based off of what could be considered a long format play to outpop
populate native uh individuals and then apply that to what's going on now. I'm
not saying that's what's happening. I'm just saying when we look at data wondering what could happen, it's good
to look at other areas in which things have progressed to a point that could happen and assess those things could
possibly happen here. And uh there's a lot of stuff going on and there's a lot of stuff going on in Africa that we
don't hear about. Okay? There's a lot of stuff there's a lot of genocide and culling and madness based off of your
faith that's going on. Entire is being wiped out right now, bro. It's wild. It's wild. Now, when
people think about human transportation, they jump to where the movies highlight. It's always uh the SCEX stuff, it's
kids, all the rest of it. But there's a grander thing here. There's there's allowing individuals to move people from
one side or another in parts of the world where there's uh oil or minerals
or control of power and things like this. Have you seen from a economic game of board, you remember the board game
risk, right? Of course. Yeah. Okay. So, that's how the world's run. Okay. It's just that it's just literally
12 old dudes in a b above a bakery in Switzerland going right
who's getting it today. The last time I played risk was uh during the vid lockdowns with my
ex-girlfriend. How did that work? Yeah, I was going to say how did that work out? Yeah, we had a photographic memory. So, she
was a real smart cookie. So, she was kicking my ass and I ended up throwing the uh the board across the room.
Yeah, that's how every game of risk ends. That's how every game of risk ends, right? Like, oh god. Yeah, I've
there's never been a like. And the worst thing is is everyone who's good at risk is so smug about being cougar. It's like
it's like when you have to listen to a vegan tell you about how good veganism is, right?
It just incites violence. Suppress those memories. Just now imagine that.
But then imagine that from a world leader point of view. That's why wars start, bro. Wars have just been started
out a spite because someone lost in the risk room, right? I'm telling you, man. I am telling you.
So, when it comes to the FBI and transportation, there's a lot more to it than just the Jeffrey Epsteines of the
world and turning white eyes. I think people should just like listen the the complexity of all this stuff is like you
could we could sit here for literally four days straight and just talk about all the connections that the octopus conspiracy has to modern day things
happening but I think like I try and boil things down for people because I know everyone's dealing with it's like this
you know that meme it's like I'm I'm sorry I didn't respond to your text I'm dealing with the infinite amount of
information with a brain designed to collect berries right you know so it's like it's Like
I try and boil it down. So like why would the FBI So when at the
end of this show when you say goodbye when you say good night after you go to cancelclose.com and pick up some merch?
Uh you like that plug, Ronnie? Oh, we're we're going to talk about your merch. Trust me, we're going to be talking about your merch. Some bangers.
Ask yourself this. Why would the FBI dispose of 30 to 100,000 individuals
names who are connected to um human transportation rates? Why would they do that? That's the question. That's the
question. Well, there's two there's two answers, right? There's following orders. Yeah. And they're on the list. It's only
you're either protecting yourself or you're protecting someone else. That there's only two. Okay. Uh so I I think
it's more likely it was following orders. Okay. Let's be honest. I can't imagine. I agree. Yeah. 100%. And I could be
wrong. It could just be that the one FBI guy in the whole universe who was a bad guy just so happened to be the guy in
charge of that case and he's like, "Oh, I better get that lit." Could be. Statistically though, unlikely. Okay.
Yeah. So, we have to assume that it's a bigger picture thing and then we have to wonder
where does it all lead? How many times has it happened before? Okay. How many how many lists before
information because information has traveled at a designated speed throughout the ages? Okay. Whether it
was telegrams, whether it was faxes, whether it was emails or whatever. Yeah. So, how many lost lists are there? And
how long did it take to get to 100K? That's a [ __ ] horrific thought. Yeah, dude.
Great question, right? You know, I don't know. And when people ask why
they make lists and all of this, when you start looking into the occult and why things are called referred to as
spelling and manifestation, what come that comes in their minds from
a thought being written brings it into reality. You have to wonder
of the names on a list. I wonder how many of these lists are very long
collections of signatures for an agreement. Sure. Do you know what I'm saying?
I do. I do. I mean, because it's a lot easier to imagine a list than to say, "Well, actually, the
front eight pages of this list is all I declare to the the grand underlord demonic force blahy blahy blahy blahy
blahy blahy blah blah blah." Yeah. And it's not like it's not like the it's not like there's a group of rich people
that meet up every year and pray to a big wooden owl. Right. Right. Oh, wait. They do. Oh, wait. Sorry. They
do do that. My bad. They do do that. Yeah. It's crazy, man. Crazy. The funny thing is these [ __ ]
running [ __ ] are a bunch of drama students. They're out there in robes [ __ ] doing little plays. It's like
why is the [ __ ] royal family even a thing anymore? We just like parading the internet.
It's like, hey, look at the Mongoloids that you're miss you're missing the the
what this is, okay? This is an elite form of grooming because if you can sit
there and laugh your way through a massive stone owl with effiges of children being burnt in it, just maybe
you're susceptible to joining the next meeting. All right? And the next meeting, you know, there might be a
little bit of bloodletting. We'll see how you handle the screams of a little bit of blood letting and then we'll go
to the next one and then before you know it, right? It's all a bit It's all a bit mad, you
know, because that makes sense to me because before you know it, you're eating pizza with Hillary Clinton. You know what I'm
saying? Hell yeah. Oh man. Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton
now in contempt of court. [ __ ] Evil [ __ ] Bro, bro, I mean, I'll be honest. When they when they got called to court, it
was a good day. That was I I'm not one for screenshotting Twitter posts, right? But I was like, that's going on a mug.
As soon if they go down, I'm going to have on one side the tweet of the announcement of them going to court and
on the other side their faces as they're being arrested because it was massive.
But now we've got this rep this this clear indication of two-tier system
where they got a subpoena and this went nah nah nah, we're good.
You're okay. Feel like it today. Sorry. It's
if they get away with all of this, it's again just another example of the
conditioning of America and the world. Do we expect this? Are we now just at a
point where we assume and we go, "Oh, they'll get away with it." And we see it as a joke, but we actually mean it.
What else can you do? Right? You know, the average person, it's like it is it's like you said, we li we we we have a little giggle. It's like, "Huh, 911?
Yeah, they definitely lied about that. Anyways, I got to go to work and pay my taxes like a [ __ ] chump. Like, what
are we doing here? And I think when you look at a lot of the stuff happening right now, there was this little thing
happening uh over on this side of the pond, Ron. I'm not sure if you guys were privy to it or not, but there was a big
no tax movement happening and it's still happening and I think it is causing uh a
bit of a panic and I think that's why you're seeing [ __ ] get ramped up in the streets of America, Venezuela, Iran soon
to be soon to be attacked. I think allegedly um you know all these things are meant to to to to get us to step
back from the ledge of finally demanding some answers, some accountability, some goddamn
representation from these people that you know are running our governments and that transcends. I'm talking about
the UK, France, Poland. Oh yeah. All of us. All of us. But we're stuck in a cycle, John. Cuz
you and I could sit here, you and I could sit here and give all of the Hallmark inspiration quotes that and and
moments we want. Yeah. But at the same time, it's all a facade. Yeah.
So, it's great to sit here and think we need to take control. We need to do this, that, and the next thing. But deep down inside, we know it's meaningless
because everything seems pre-ordained. The individuals who lie get into power
and do nothing what they've said. Like, when does it end? Because at some point there needs to be a line.
We all have to. So listen, it's Sorry to Sorry to jump in, Ron, but it's okay. No, no, I'm the worst for it. So please,
I agree with you that it's probably [ __ ] cooked. It's probably hopeless. But
having said that, it did. People don't understand. They've tricked us into thinking we have no power. If we
literally if we literally 10% so one out of 10 people if you remove yourself from
the game a massive general strike like people people get hung up on it there needs to be violence. It's actually
there doesn't need to be violence. We just all got to stop playing for like one week.
They can't build anything without us. They can't turn a light bulb on. They don't know how to do an electrical, you
know, uh do a do the electricity in a house. They don't know how to fix the plumbing. I'm talking about the 1%. You're talking about the politician.
100%. They don't know how to do anything without us. Yeah. Well, here's what I think we should do. If I if I had the
capabilities, I'd tell you all to go and buy one of those old school alarm clocks with a ding ding a bell and everyone in
the world at the exact same time, no matter where you are in the world, we're all still synchronized and let those
alarms off so the world can be heard in that moment in synchronicity against all
of this. Okay? Do you know what I'm saying? But, you know, it would it'll suck because about 400 people will do it
and then no one will hear about it, right? But, you know what I'm saying? It's like it's one of those things. If we all could just
But we've we've we've we've populated oursel past resolution, John. Okay. No, we've reached a point in wealth
disparity, right? And and you know, you got all these billionaires building bunkers and people think it's for like a
pull shift or a meteor. It's it's because they've studied history and and guess what happens every
time the wealth disparity reaches this level? [ __ ] revolution happens, Fran.
It's it's it's it's like clockwork that happens when we've gotten to this point.
So the question is is and like is it real revolutions or do we just is this how the cycle is meant to work, Ron?
Like are we supposed to get to this point every hundred years? Well, listen, now I'm thinking
more and then and then and then just we slowly do it again. You know what I mean? I don't know. But then we've also
got the algorithm now that if we have talked about the FBI and the powers that be allowing criminals to get to a
certain point to achieve a goal they never realized they were part of how can we then trust a revolutionary icon who
gets to where they are to lead us? Do you see what I'm saying? It's like there's two there's like 9 billion of
us. We couldn't if we were to all have an online meeting, all of us, and we had
to agree to change the the color of the lines on the road and nothing changes until we all agree, we are going to die
collectively in that meeting. Okay? We're going to starve. That's for sure. Do you see what I'm saying? So, we have
we've overpop populated past the point of resolution. So when you now have a government worrying about a a subsection
rising up the if it was a you know 500 years ago and your population is 100,000
and 30% of them rise up you know there's that's that's a bit of a it's a it's a fight right but
when your population's in the millions and millions now you seem to think that you're outnumbered. There's a reason
they're called the 1% and we're the 99. Religion, politics, society, social
class separates us all. But when we put that aside and focus on an end goal, I
promise once we defeat this terrinistic government, you can all go back to [ __ ] posting about each other and kicking
each other's asses and all of that. But until we unite focused on an outcome
that benefits us all, we're cooked. We're cooked. You know, I just had like an epiphany, too, right, Ron? It's like
this, you know, let's just take it from like a mega perspective or whatever. You know, we we we idolize these public
figures and and and we hold ourselves to a way higher standard of moral like fortitude
than they do. They don't take Do you think Trump and the boys take religion
seriously or do they use it to manipulate [ __ ] and get what they want? They don't care as much as we do about
the things that, you know, they represent and that's [ __ ] everything up because it's like we're expect
Anyways, it's just creating this this this world of hypocrisy. It really is a joke. It's all a joke to
me at this point, Ron. But somehow I'm not laughing. And you know what though? I've just realized we the individual the the
member of society who is sadly realizing that we have come to terms with the fact that we've created this. It's denial. It
boils down to denial. We have been happy to live in denial until it ends up on our doorstep and now it's here. And I'll
tell you something, this country and all the freedoms that we take for granted
cost millions of lives, blood spilled for generations. And we are too busy on
Tik Tok and too busy with our thumbs up our asses to remember not only the
sacrifices but the journey your culture, your people had. If this was 500 years ago and people were invading your lands,
things would be handled very differently. Do you see what I'm saying? So in the grand scheme of humanity, the
last two pages in the library of the history of existence is our time and we are the wet wipe example of human nature
too complicit and lazy to fight for the liberties and freedoms we've taken for granted.
We're like the It's the eighth season of Game of Thrones. That's what we now
it's like damn what a crying shame that is. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh god. All that conspiracy that I learned in high school
about one world governments and that. Oh, it's all coming true now. Oh no, it's a bit late now though. Oh, as long
as they don't import a foreign army that can fight us. Oh wait, oh no, they have done that. Okay, great. So Uhhuh. Yeah.
Fun fun podcast this one. I just want to go outside and smash plates off the
walls. Do you know what I mean? You know what? We had some very real combo here. But I do I still I still have like a positive vibe. I can't
explain it. I don't know. Yeah. Do you know what that is? That's because humans wonder we've reached a precipice. Yeah.
You know, even the smartest of us are completely I agree. But like, you know, there's a precipice here. Either way,
it's about to go down. I'm ready. I'm cool with it. Oh. Oh. Listen, bro. My biggest advice
to anyone in the UK is start doing cardio and find a a self-defense class
that specializes in realistic street attacks from improvised weapons and knives. learn to have the confidence
because that's what that's what the UK's craziness is going to fall into is people running around smacking each
other with stuff and trying to poke each other with pointy things. I like to say get right with your neighbor. Like we got to that's another
big problem with our whole community. Yeah. Community is gone. That's like we're you you do a whole interview you
do go out for dinner and you're [ __ ] this is what you're seeing the whole time. Hey people like oh can I get the bread uh bread sticks please? Yeah.
Yeah. And then it's like, okay, no, talk to your neighbors. Have a plan. Little things like that.
That that would be 100%. In fact, go beyond that. Look at your post code or your zip code and make
it your goal this year to know as many people as you can and
really get into an understanding that that guy that lives four doors down with you with the two kids and the lovely
wife and he's a bit of a nerd. Maybe he's like an accountant or something. He's very like very quiet guy. Wait
until his children have missed nine meals. Wait until his kids have missed nine
meals. What he's willing to do, okay? Because you've no con. We have had
it so cushy. So cushy in our countries.
Okay. We really have no concept of what true
oppression and true true nothingness. I don't mean like I work at Walmart, can't
pay my rent, and can't go on holiday this year. I'm talking like I've sold three of my kids already, so the other
five kids can have a shot at life. Poverty madness. Okay.
And we're just that's just rearing its head in our in our cultures now. Like crazy, man.
And and and and look at how [ __ ] we already are just from like a little taste of it. Wait till it gets a hundred times worse, like you said. So, but I
mean, yeah, maybe that's what will unite us though. I don't know. Now, do you know, bro, here's the here's
the real hard facts. It's going to take uh uh let's call it an act of God. And when we when we say that, it's a
decision that impacts the planet out with the decision making of the elites. So, the freaking dinosaurs coming back,
an asteroid hitting Earth, aliens landing. these things these things that
make that give us something that is more than them.
That's what it's going to take. Okay? And I'll tell you something else. All the people cuz an interesting one, right? I often say this, right? Like if
if let's just say for one reason, right? And I'm going to use Jesus as an example of this, right? Let's say a holy deity
came back in 2026 straight to the looney bin. Straight to the looney bin. Like unless Jesus is coming back with
lightning bolts coming out of his hands, he's going to go, "I'm Jesus." And they're going to go, "Are you have you
got an ID, sir? You don't have an ID." I hope he doesn't respawn in the script.
If he does, it might already [ __ ] So those who are waiting for those who are waiting for a holy intervention,
like I would be looking on Twitter for people subtly mentioning things rather than a holy deity appealing cuz Jesus
wasn't renowned for like his showmanship. He was very much like, you know, like, okay, here's some water.
Here's some fish. Now, everyone turn around. Everyone turn around. Everyone turns around. They turn back around. More fish. And it's turned into wine.
So, Mary Magdalene. Yes. All religions are lies. Yeah. Could be. Could be. I mean, I'm I'm definitely
more on the side of It's interesting when the three big religions were formed, how every other thing we'd
worship since the dawn of time became a bad thing. Sure. Right. It's crazy. They're all based off
this the whatever. It's literally it's the same format as
movies. Stuck in my head. I have this thing stuck in my head, Ron, of Jesus like respawning in Palestine and just getting
bombed every time. Right. Right. Damn it. He's like boom.
Have I got the right coordinates? This is Is this the right place for the interdimensional Uber to be dropping me
off? Are you sure? Oh, man. Like it's just we're we're so cooked. Unless
unless aliens arrive. And I mean proper aliens. And like real deal aliens, right? Who by the
way better not look too scary or you better break yourselves in easy. Okay. I'm just saying now. Okay. If you're if
you're 7 foot and your skin's red and you've got huge black horns and hoofs, but you're actually really cool guys.
Slowly break that in. Okay. Like cure cancer first, then reveal yourself. Do
you see what I'm saying? Yep. Yep. Yeah, man. We are We are good. I'm so
good at derailing my own podcast. So, let's conclude. Right. There is evidence, like you say, with the octopus
murders and individuals with hundreds of thousands of names connecting them to individuals who prey on children and
it's seen as a client list. These things are all real. Like, what what what's your conclusion for the FBI? Is it fully
cooked? Can we really trust any of the letter agencies or should we just get rid of them as a whole?
Abolish them all, start over. Full transparency. We got to go back to like,
you know, you remember, you know why you call it public service, right? Public office. It's because we are supposed to have
access to everything they're doing. Do you know why they call us private citizens? It's because they shouldn't
know [ __ ] all about what we do. Yeah. It's completely reversed. Let's work on getting that back. It's
almost like when they removed your ability to take your money and be given
gold in exchange for it, they realized how dumb we truly were. Because once
they just made our only way of showing the government any kind of force, which
is the financial way, once they made that meaningless, I mean, that's just how dumb we all are. Again, we're just
Money's not real. It was such a derp moment. We done it here as well. And it's like, wow, that
why would any government be like, we're going to remove the gold standard from your money? Why though? Don't act. Trust
me, bro. Trust me, bro. It's fine. It's okay. An endless cycle of debt, perpetual
debt, which is inescapable. Good times. Yeah. And uh listen, I understand a lot
of you are probably going to have to have a brandy this evening after listening to all this. And I just want to say it's okay. All right. Just don't
be excessive with it all. Everything should be everything should be fine. I'm a bit of a realist.
Yeah, I'm a bit of a realist. So, I I hope everything's going to be the same, but it's our choice. It's our choice as
the 99% to decide where the line is and when enough is enough because we're the
ones who are the majority. And we are so we're so terrified. We're so pushed back
to a point where hey, we can't talk about this online cuz straight to jail. Can't have an opinion outside cuz you're
a racist. can't put up a flag of your own nation because, you know, 500 years ago some other white dude's done some
mad stuff and it's your fault now. Like, it's it's just not the way.
God forbid you have a nuanced thought that doesn't conform to the script that either side has written, right? And
you're really people really don't know what to do with you. I've managed to make my [ __ ] bread off that. So, that's
you know, it's a fine line, though. It's a fine line. It it really is a fine line, but well, give us your your your
kind of outro here, uh, John, and also remind us, um, okay, what you've got coming up, what's next
for you. And before we go, we're going to take a look at some of your merch, cuz there's a couple of absolute bangers
on there. We got some fire new merch. Listen, if you're over there in the UK and uh you support Denmark's claim on Greenland, we
got the Greenland Green Greenland Denmark shirts that just dropped. Of course, we got the Greenland USA shirts
for all the uh, you know, hard-nosed patriots in America that might be watching. But regardless, everything's a
a a joke. Having said that, we should take this joke seriously. And most
importantly, Ron, what I think the biggest new message I'm trying to send out is like we should all take like a
big step back. I think people have lost the plot. Yes, the Israeli government's
very problematic. Do we need to go full [ __ ] Germany circa 1933 in the
comment section of my videos though? No, that's not really helping. In fact, in fact, you're you're you're
honeypotting yourself. You're you're exposing yourself to future, you know, persecution because I do I
don't you know, they're not just they're not just setting up all this palunteer censorship stuff for fun. They're gonna
use it. You know what I mean? So everything you're saying online right now is there forever. Just keep that in mind. Um, you know, we should not be
advocating for violence. We should not celebrate the death of our fellow citizens at the hands of a secret police. No matter what side you're on, I
don't really give a a flying hoot. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't care
which side the secret police comes from. I will never support secret police. I will always support the downtrodden,
even when they're complete uh what's the word for mentally handicapped people.
You know what I'm trying to say here? you know, even when Eva I I I blame the system. So the next time your neighbor
or family member or your friend says something to you that is just, you know, mindshatteringly stupid, try not to
blame them, remember they're a product of this broken ass system we're living in. And we're all just trying to
survive. All anyone wants, Ron, whether you're Muslim, Chinese, Ukrainian,
Russian, Jewish, Palestinian, or just a good oldfashioned Canadian, uh, we just
want a fair chance at a decent life. Just give us that. Just give us that. We
can be chill. We don't ask for much. But when we're, you know, when people can't afford groceries and
uh record profits are being made and we're being told that we got to go to war for some cause that we don't really
understand, well, maybe we should all take one giant step back and maybe we should throw our phones in the lake, too, Ron. Just to throw
Yeah, I agree. I You know that weird island in the Amazon full of snakes that nobody can go to. Not like that tribe
that like everyone that goes there, that tribal like murders and they're untouched. I think every year we should
vote on one politician who we think has done the worst at their job to go and live there and we'll see how quickly
politics sorts itself out overnight because no gold standard and the fact that the
the the world picks an ambassador, oh yeah, an embarrass an ambassador of
doing a terrible job for the people and then we just we just send them all out. send them all out because we need to
regain the public service and you you nailed it with that. Governments should
always fear the people that they represent because those are the that's the only dynamic, right, where it truly
works because that's when respect is given and you're heard. That doesn't mean a violent nation. It just means a
nation that will collectively gather for the culture and the beliefs
that exist there. Amen, brother. [ __ ] Amen. Well, listen, go and check out um John's
merch. Go and check out John's uh Instagram. Go and check out John's YouTube. We'll definitely be seeing you
again, John, because there's a lot we should we should have probably booked in for a longer chat because we could probably keep going. Um
brother, I look forward to it. I look forward to it. And thank you all for being here. Thank you to the mod. Thanks to the
shwood channel. Thank you to all watching at home. Please like and share. Without you guys watching, we're just two dudes on a Zoom call just ranting at
each other. So, thank you for giving us the ability to converse uh this way. So,
thank you to all of you at home and we'll see you in the next one. Peace. Cheers.
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Hello and welcome back to Reality Check. I'm Ross Koular and this week we're
delving into SETI, the organization that handles the search for extraterrestrial
intelligence. And just to introduce this, 74 years ago in 1950, a physicist
by the name of Enrico Fermy was sitting in the canteen at the Los Alamos
National Laboratory canteen and he was having lunch and he posited with his
colleagues, if the universe is as vast as we understand it is and there must be
technological advanced civilizations out there in vast vast numbers. Where the
hell are the aliens? It's a very good question and SETI the search for
extraterrestrial intelligence has been asking that question for quite a number
of decades now. It started out as NASA funded and then the bean counters cut
cut that funding and thanks very much particularly to Microsoft's Paul Allen
there's been funding that has continued to keep the SETI Institute going and the
current CEO of the SETI Institute and president is Bill Diamond and Bill's
hugely experienced in photonics optical communications He's worked worked across
ventureback backed startups and huge multinationals and he's also worked in
X-ray and semiconductor processing technologies and he joins us now. Bill,
welcome to reality check. Ross, wonderful to be here. Thanks so much for having me.
So, Bill, can I first get you to give me uh I was trying to figure it out this morning as I was going through my
research. I was trying to figure out is SETI just focused on radio waves
observing the the spectrum of radio wave transmissions coming from the universe
or is it also looking at optical signals? Well, it's actually doing both of those
but also more. So the SETI Institute is um it's its name brand activity if you
will is SETI which is an endeavor using modern technology to look for um
engineered phenomena in you know interstellar space basically beyond our
solar system which would serve as a proxy for life and intelligence. And that phenomena could be a radio
transmission, it could be a laser pulse, it could be laser communication or lasers used for propulsion. Um, but
since the institute's founding 40 years ago, the search for signs of technology
or signs or evidence of of engineered phenomena has broadened to include what
we now call techno signatures. And a techno signature could include even some
bizarre phenomena that we um observe that appears to maybe be something like
a Dyson sphere or some engineered structure surrounding its host star to
provide a planet with with boundless energy. Um so we we uh use both optical
telescopes and radio telescopes to look for specific kinds of electromagnetic
phenomena. But then more broadly, we're involved in the field of so-called astrobiology,
which is the study of life in the universe, which really starts with basic questions about what is a habitable
planet? Um, how does life start under what conditions and where else might
those conditions exist where we could find even basic life and perhaps even in our own solar system? These could be,
you know, microbes or or even multisellular uh organisms. Now, back in
2004, astronomer Seth Schustst made a prediction that I suspect he'll ru he
ever made, you know, never make a bet about astronomy. And he he bet basically or he predicted in 2004 that he expected
to get a conclusive signal and proof of alien contact sometime between 2020 and
2025 based on the Drake equation. And to date there's been no such evidence. The
Drake equation of course is a a calculation by Frank Drake, one of the the originators, the conceivers of the
SETI idea that that essentially um when you look at all of the variables that
exist in the universe, there's an extremely high likelihood that there are technologically advanced civilizations
out there. Now, to date, of course, we're coming up to 2025 very, very soon.
As best as we understand it, Bill, unless you guys are hiding something, there's been no evidence. So, are we
looking for the wrong thing? Is there something we're missing that might be hindering that search?
Sure. I think um I share Seth's perspective that we are probably on the
cusp of making such a discovery. Uh but I would say that's as much to do with simply deploying more technologies, more
capable technologies, uh more eyes and ears on the sky, if you will, at more times of day and night and in more
places in the world than ever before. So that increases the odds. But we do have a a fundamental limit that I think is
not really something people understand. And that is um the planet that we're on
Earth has been emitting electromagnetic signals in the form of radio and then
television and other types of communication now even things like you know Wi-Fi and Bluetooth although very
low energy but we've been doing this for a hundred years. So we're a hundred years into being quote unquote a
technological civilization if we think of the invention of the radio as as starting that clock. And um if we were
to be looking for another planet like Earth that is simply leaking uh
radiation of this kind at fairly low energies and in all directions, um using
the instruments we have today, radio telescopes, including some of the most sensitive in the world, we'd only be
able to find a similar kind of planet doing a similar kinds of things within, you know, 10 or 20 light years, which
isn't very far. our own galaxy. Why is that, Bill? What are the constraints on our technology?
Sensitivity um just the you know the a a a the kind of energy levels um of the
electromagnetic radiation that we generate from Earth you know it dissipates rapidly and so it's too too
weak um to transmit across vast distances of space. So the the closest star I think is Alpha
Centuri. Is is Alpha Centuri close enough for us to be able to detect radio
transmissions that might be being emitted from that cluster? Yeah. So, if there were um similar
levels of of radio transmission or electromagnetic phenomena at similar energies to what we produce coming from
that location, yes, we could detect it. And um similarly, you know, part of the
premise of of SETI is the notion that a sufficiently advanced civilization may
actually be, you know, particularly broadcasting high energy, you know, targeted uh radio waves or or optical
signals um that, you know, would have sufficient energy to be detected across
the galaxy even. So it it isn't as though our search is only limited to 10
or 20 light years out. It's just that if if we were, you know, looking for other examples of of a planet like Earth where
we are not actually directing high energy uh beacons across the galaxy, um
then, you know, we we can only locate quite nearby um planets. Now, Bill, one
of my favorite movies is Contact, the Jodie Foster movie that's set, I think it's set around Araibo, the Puerto Rico
um dish, and I think it also uses the um very large array down in New Mexico. And
it's such an inspiring movie talking about the possibilities of extraterrestrial intelligence attempting
to communicate with our planet. And the thing that I loved in that film was it
postulated a White House that meddles. And I remember there was a there was a villain called I think Drumfeld.
And he's the he's the bad guy who's trying to stop Jodie Foster from being the one that goes on the mission. And
it's all these religious fundamentalists in the Congress who are offended by the idea that, you know, there might be
aliens and they're trying to conceal it from the public. Tell me sir, what protections do you
have in place? Do you promise me if you find an extraterrestrial techno signature? Are you going to have some
CAD from the White House on your shoulder saying you are not going to tell the public about this? Tell us what
what's the procedure in place, Bill? How does it happen? Sure. Uh, well, that's a great question.
We get that question all the time. Um, you know, we are not a government agency. We do have government funding
from NASA and from the National Science Foundation and other g government organizations for some of the work we
do, but not for SETI, not for the work we do with radio and optical telescopes. That's all privately funded. So the
government has no control over what we do. We own our own telescope array. We use the very large array. Actually, it
wasn't being used for STEI at the time of the movie Contact. It had never been used for STEI. But we actually have a
project on on the BLA right now which is maybe the most comprehensive SETI program ever undertaken by the human
species. We can talk more about that later. But um our protocol first and
foremost would be that if we made an observation of a signal which a appeared
to be you know a technical engineered phenomenon not something that nature produces and b was perceived by our
instruments to be from beyond our solar system. So something you know from another star system um beyond our own
then step one would be to uh get another radio observatory elsewhere on the
planet to point their instruments at the same place and see if they see or hear the same phenomena. And part of the
reason for doing that is that if we're looking at something and we think it's fairly far away and another telescope
and another part of the Earth looks in the same coordinates we give them and get the same signal that verifies that
it's far away. If we give them the same coordinates and they don't see it, that's because it's coming from closer
by and then we would know oh this must be a satellite or you know some other local phenomena. So step one
verification. Um, step two, announcement. But the announcement, I
think, in the uh, I guess in the traditions of science would be as fact-based and informationally accurate
as possible with perhaps, you know, minimum speculation. In other words, we
would say this is what we have observed. You know, this we appear to have received a signal from whatever let's
say 20 light years from Earth and it is this kind of a signal. It is modulated in this manner. um it it appears to
contain information or at the very least, you know, it appears to be something clearly engineered and not something nature produces. Um and
therefore it is, you know, likely evidence of an alien technology. Um and
so I, you know, people say, well, would you be allowed to do that? You know, if you you were preparing to make such an
announcement, would somebody step in and stop you? Of course, you know, I can't predict what some future administration
may or may not do. But, um, you know, they wouldn't have any inside track on what we were about to do or say. We're
not under any obligation to make any, uh, advanced notifications to any government agency about any discovery we
might make. Um, so they they would have no, you know, heads up that this was coming. Um, and uh, and the secondly, I
mean, I I say this somewhat tongue and cheek, but I I say to people, look, if you're if you're concerned about that, the thing to do is to surround our
building off of our property with cameras looking at our building at all times. And if you ever see a bunch of
black Escalades pull up with a bunch of people with suits and earpieces and lapel pins pop out, you might assume
that we got a signal. So, but no, we're we're uh we're pretty free and clear. A
as you would probably know, we take a very close interest in reality check on the the suspicion or the the the the
idea of a cover up in government on the issue of UAPs. And I do I mean I I do
think the US government knows a lot more than it's letting on. I've got sources who tell me we have recovered nonhuman
technology. Um let me ask you this question. There's one thing that's always intrigued me
because I'm a keen fan. My brain can't quite get my head around it, but I'm a
keen fan of the implications of quantum technology. And let me just work through
this with you. And please shout at me if I say anything wrong here. As I
understand it, there's a phenomenon in quantum science of quantum teleportation
which relies on the so-called entanglement of particles to transmit
quantum information instantaneously. and securely. And this entanglement of
particles is so cool and it's almost magic because if you've got one particle
here and another particle say at Alpha Centauri light years away, they would
instantaneously do the same thing. Now, the I I looked
online because I've always been intrigued by the possibility that this might be the way that aliens communicate
that that you know, here we are on the cusp of this amazing discovery about quantum telecommunication.
The possibility that there is this other way of communicating that doesn't use
radio waves or even visible light in the optical spectrum. And so is there that
possibility? I I've I I hear different arguments online. You know, there's a
whole minute string that says, "No, quantum communication is not possible. It's absolutely not possible. You can't
go faster than light." And then I was reading about this team of scientists from Edinburgh's School of Physics and
Astronomy. And they have mathematically calculated that quantum communications across interstellar space should be
possible. And they've used math to describe the movement of X-rays across a
medium such as that that travels between stars. And they looked to see if their
calculations could show the degree of decoherence that might occur during such
a journey. And their math shows that space is clean enough to allow such
interstellar quantum communications. So X-ray photographs could travel
hundreds of thousands of light years without losing their coherence.
Does this mean that there might be a form of communication that we're
currently not looking for quantum communication? And is there any way, Bill, of detecting it?
Sure. Well, it's, you know, it's a great question and um I'm not familiar with the with the paper you referenced from
Scotland, but um you know, quantum entanglement is something that occurs on
a quantum scale. So, we're talking about subatomic particles and their state, for example, their spin um state and and how
particles at vast distances even across the length of the galaxy, never mind
between here and Alpha Centuri, uh if they're entangled, can you know
basically duplicate each other's state. Um, now I'm not sure that entanglement
provides the same um ability to transmit
information as we think about when we talk about trans transmitting
information or teleporting information. Um, because we're just talking about quantum states being entangled and
instantaneously happening, you know, across vast distances. I think it's fair to say that we are um sufficiently
ignorant of the possibilities of things like quantum entanglement or quantum communications uh to to say whether or
not um that would be a phenomena that we could look for. I think it's fair to say
that um you know at any given moment in time we are only able to deploy the
technologies that we have at our at our disposal to look for phenomena that we
already understand and know about. Um and so and and when you think about you
know our our uh existence as a technological civilization and being you
know 100 years old we think that statistically speaking you know the
probability or the likelihood is if we do find evidence of an extraterrestrial
civilization they'd be most certainly much older than we are. uh because the probability of 200y old um civilizations
finding one another in you know a 15 billion year old universe is is like zero but uh so you know they might be a
thousand years or 20 or 50,000 and I think it's difficult to imagine what kind of physics and and deeper
understanding they have of the natural world and its phenomena than we do. So one of the things we're endeavoring to
do for example at the moment is bring together uh theoretical physicists and
SETI scientists and sort of reimagine um SETI techniques and technologies based
on you know different ideas of how informationation might get sent from you know point A to point B um and and so
forth. So I think it's it's fair to say that you know our search techniques and modalities are are very limited. They're
limited to technologies we have and understand and that there are certainly um going to be, you know, discoveries
made in the decades ahead and centuries ahead that may, you know, completely
turn on its head, you know, the the the science, if you will, in technology of SETI searches.
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moment, I guess what you're concinged there is the possibility that the aliens are using a technology that we just
don't know about yet. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Well, think about I mean even what we now call
optical SETI um the idea of looking uh in in space for optical phenomena
specifically lasers. Um lasers are also a very effective form of communication or you know propulsion or information
transfer. Uh we have a laser up the street from us here um in Mountain View at the Lawrence Liverour um National
Laboratory and that is the world's most powerful laser used for um high energy
uh basically fusion energy fusion research and if you took the output of
that laser and bounced it off one of our 8 meter telescope mirrors on Earth and and shot it into space it would be
10,000 times brighter than the sun. So, you know, lasers are like radio waves
become an interesting phenomena to look for, but we couldn't have looked for them before we invented the laser and
even knew such a thing existed. So, you know, what kinds of technologies that have that capability to transmit um
information or just be observed from great distances, you know, have have we yet to develop or or create that we
could ultimately look for. So yes, I I think at at any given point in time, we're going to be limited to the physics
and the technologies that we understand and have access to in terms of what we look for and how we go about that that
effort. Just coming back to the quantum thing for a moment. You might be interested to know that the Edinburgh
scientist who's a guy called Laam Bole and he speculated that for interstellar quantum communication to occur, the
wavelengths of the photons must be less than 26.5 cm to avoid interference with
cosmic microwave background radiation. And he calculated the telescope would
have to be 100 kilometers in diameter. So uh you got any budget there for a 100
kilometer diameter telescope bill? Not at uh at our immediate disposal.
However, you know the the notion of telescopes that big you know is is
surprisingly not just the stuff of science fiction. I mean um you know once you start talking
about constructing things in space scales like that are you know not so crazy as they may sound. And of course,
you know, to build a 100 kilometer telescope on earth would be impossible,
just structurally impossible. But to build it in space where there's no gravity, you don't need, you know, a big
strong supportive frame or, you know, things like that. So you can take, you know, myar thin films and and and create
any shape you want and make it absolutely enormous. So it's not as crazy as it sounds but it would be you
know if we talk about well having to build it on earth yeah there are some some some constraints there that would make it uh difficult. Now, one thing I
wanted to ask you about and please I know you're being a really good sort by asking some of my questions because I'm
really fascinated in this area and um one of the things that I was intrigued about I was reading about something
called albi astronomically long baseline interometry
and there's speculation that you could you could actually link telescopes across astronomical distances creating
what's called an effective angular resolution. essentially you can create a gigantic telescope. And it was
speculated when I was looking at this quantum communication idea. I was going to ask you about this possibility that
maybe the aliens are just using a different type of telephone. And um I read somewhere online that that there is
this speculation that you can use this interferometry to build a um a
notionally large telescope. Is that something that's you believe possible? Is it something that you'd contemplate
as a possibility if we could get the resources to do it? Oh yes, absolutely. I mean, so right now in in radio um
astronomy, we already use arrays. Um and we have the Allen telescope array. You
reference Paul Allen first. That's the institute's own array. It's 42 dishes. Each one is a separate dish, but they
all act like one big dish. Um and they are they are integrated and columnated
together so that they they act in in unison. we can focus each one of those 42 dishes on precisely the same
phenomena that we wish to observe. The very large array in New Mexico is is even bigger. The each telescope uh there
is 25 meters across and there's 27 of them and they're spread over a distance
about 23 miles across. And um but they also have the VLBA, the very large
baseline uh array, which combines some of the telescopes at the VA with other
radio telescopes across the United States in different locations again to function as a single large integrated
instrument. So really all we're talking about is scaling a phenomena and
technology that we already know quite a lot about and we know how to do. we, you know, one of the complexities about um
radio or even optical elements being far apart in in terms of radio transmission, it's timing the data. So that you know
when you're transmitting data from one telescope thousands of miles away and you're you've got another telescope
that's right in your backyard where your computers are, you have to time the um
the observations precisely. Otherwise, you're you're you don't have an array.
You don't have an integrated instrument. You have something looking at two different points in time. So, there are complexities, but we understand them. We
know how to do them. And so, if you just say, okay, well, let's scale it up. Let's put a a a dish on the moon and and
then function that as an arrayed instrument with an instrument on the ground. Um, and then you can scale
beyond that. Well, okay, we could start using other bodies in the solar system. So, um, it's not to say it's trivial nor
inexpensive by any stretch, but it's absolutely technically feasible and and and it's just scaling up something we
already do and know how to do. Now, Bill, we had um the wonderful Professor Avi Lobe from the Galileo project on
this show a few months ago, and he was talking about the Umua Mua object that he's taken a huge interest in, which he
speculates might be an artificial object because it didn't follow a normal kind
of elliptical track through the solar system. And um I know I read somewhere
that SETI was used to direct its technology at the Amuam object to see
whether there was any kind of emission that could be detected. As I understand it, you didn't find any evidence of ET.
No, we didn't. Um, of course, you know, the what's interesting that there have
are of course images or drawings um that people have imagined of what AmuA Mua looks like based on information we have.
In reality, AMU MUA for astronomers was no more than a single pixel on a
display. And just by looking at how that pixel changed and brightness depending on when you were looking at it and so
forth, we could determine a lot about it. But we couldn't see anything like, you know, an actual structure. Um, we
could only infer its shape and size based on the way light was reflected off of this pixel. Um, and there were no,
you know, radio emissions at least that we could detect, uh, coming from from that object. So um you know I I think of
course when you're interested as we are we absolutely share A's enthusiasm for
this endeavor and I think we're as passionate as he is about you know how exciting and interesting this is but I
think we have to be careful about inferring too much um making too many conclusions based on scant evidence for
what we're observing and um just because something doesn't move in or behave in
in a manner that we expect I don't think is a sufficient reason to draw the conclusion that well therefore it must
be engineered. Um we've discovered all kinds of things um that we didn't expect
that would for example have defied our previous understandings of astrophysics um only to you know realize these are
normal. So, for example, the first exoplanets found were huge Jupiterized planets zipping around their host stars
in a matter of days and we would have thought, you know, that's not even possible. So, um, but it is and it's a
natural phenomena. These are not spacecraft. They're big planets. So, I I think it's it's uh it's always
interesting to speculate on what could be. I think it's dangerous to to declare
what is based on on very uh you know, let's say scant information. you you
just gave me the perfect segue into what I want to go on to next because um again the wow signal uh has been an exact
example apparently of of exactly what you're just talking about this idea that as our understanding of science develops
we do find explanations or possible explanations for what might originally
have been thought to be an artificial signal. So, just to give our audience a bit of background, in uh 1977, 15th of
August, Ohio State University's Big Ear Telescope picked up the so-called WOW
signal. And there was a scientist called Jerry Eman who wrote the word wow on a
computer printer and it was not an ordinary signal, an extremely powerful
signal. In fact, in a protected area of radio technology, it looked
technological and it didn't appear to be of human origin. And I have to admit,
Bill, I was crushed crushed a few weeks ago when I read that it's now being
suggested that um the WOW signal is not what we hoped it might be. It's not ET.
Can you please explain? Yes. Well, of course, it was very exciting at the time. I mean why the
words wow were written on the margins of this computer printout and you know
another thing some in the audience may not be familiar is with is that we used to get data on printouts instead of
screens you know so we're talking about a long time ago and data was you know astronomical observational data was
strings of letters and numbers you know printed across this green and dark and light green shaded paper and uh there
was this string of numbers on one line of the printout out that when um the
astronomer went back to look at the the print out in the morning to see what was seen uh overnight there was just this
string that said well this is not normal this is high energy it's a particular frequency um and uh like wow so just
like as one does when maybe reading something interesting you make a note to yourself uh in the margins he wrote the
word wow and put exclamation point um the the the problem of course is At that
time there was no way to do anything like an immediate follow-up um or you
know there was nobody on on on duty to uh to have the telescope you know trace
and track that and and uh and notify other observatories to maybe take a look. There probably weren't so many
radio observatories at that time in any case. So uh you know it's almost certain that what was seen was you know a
man-made humanmade phenomena. could have been a satellite, could have been an aircraft, you know, something along
those lines. I mean, this is the the one of the big challenges of SETI is dealing
with the vastly noisy radio frequency, so-called RF environment that we live in
that is, you know, a noisy RF environment created by our own technology. So, we really are at a
needle in a haystack kind of endeavor with with uh this kind of research. I think there's a paper that I was reading
about from the planetary habitability lab at the University of Puerto Rico at
Arosibo and they did observations between 2017 and 2020 and they found wow
like signals near the hydrogen frequency spectrum of 1420 that looks exactly like
wow and this is why they're now hypothesizing that a transient radio source and they think it might be some
kind of magnetar firing or a soft gammaray repeater, some kind of neutron
star suddenly flared in the radio spectrum. And the hypothesis is that if
it's in the right proximity to a cold hydrogen cloud, it could explain the WOW
signal. So, it's not definitive, but that was the crushing paper that I read that suggested that it's they dismissed
the idea, interestingly enough, that it might be a human transmission, but they were suggesting that it might just be a
natural occurrence that amplified a signal. It could certainly be. I mean, um, and
and it isn't the first time we've had phenomena like that that that we've observed. And you know we have even
recently in partnership with the Greenbank radio uh telescope at the Greenbank National Radio Astronomy
Observatory we've simultaneously observed the location coordinates for the WOW signal and you know not not seen
anything. So um uh it is almost certainly some either natural phenomena
as as described in the paper or you know a man-made transient that could have been you know in in low earth orbit. Uh
it's it's hard to say with any with any certainty at this point, but an an
intriguing and much more recent analog to this is something called Tabby Star,
which you may have heard of. Um can you pronounce it? Sorry. Tabby. It stand It's Tabitha. And it's
named for a young uh undergraduate uh student astronomer at Yale University.
And what she was doing was looking at data from the Kepler space telescope mission. That was a a NASA mission that
was run out of the NASA as research center right down the street from us. And actually the the SETI Institute
managed the data pipeline for that mission and and we wrote the algorithms for planet detection. The purpose of
that mission was to find so-called exosolar planets and other words planets around other stars. It did that using
the so-called transit method. basically look at a star and look at its
brightness and stare at it for a long time, i.e. years. And if you are able,
if you have instruments that are sensitive enough to look at just the slightest amount of dimming of the light
from that star, that might be because of a planet transiting in front of it in
our line of sight. um and you see that happening with a regular periodicity
um or frequency, you might infer that this is a planet going around the star. And so that was the the fundamental
technology uh or or idea behind the Kepler mission. Now bear in mind, an
Earthlike planet transiting a sunlike star would only dim the observed light
from our sun if it was being observed by somebody on Alpha Centuri, for example, by one part in 10,000. So very very tiny
amount of so very hard to see even a a Jupiterized planet would be one part in
a thousand. So just a slight dimming of a star which you're still observing in the field of view of this telescope as a
tiny little point. Um so extraordinary uh measurements but there was a
particular observation of a particular star in which um this young woman
discovered in hidden in the data that there was something period periodically
dimming the light of this star by 20%. Not one 10,000 or 1/ 1,000th but 20%.
And that gave rise to all kinds of speculation that it might be for example a Dyson sphere or some you know
engineered technology. And for the longest time um many many months I think
maybe even more than a couple of years uh there was no better explanation you
know astronomers and astrophysicists were trying all kinds of ways to explain this uh than the idea that it might be
an engineered um phenomena. But uh you know certainly there was a lot of skepticism that this might be the case
and uh now the prevailing theory uh which you know has been backed by a lot
of analysis and and mathematics and so forth is that this is a cloud of dust that is moving around in an orbit that
is blocking the light which is disappointing if true but it's another example of of you know things that are
unexpected and at least initially unexplained by our own understanding of physics and cosmology. ology and then
turn out to be na nature at work. Do you find it frustrating, Bill, that you're doing a job where you've got one goal
and you've been doing it now, I mean, obviously SETI's been doing it now for decades, but um, you know, both with and
without government funding or or with diminishing or dimunition of government funding at different times, but um
there's there's obviously the one goal is obviously to discover extraterrestrial intelligence,
right? There's all these disappointments. I mean you've just given me another one there. The wow signals another
disappointment. I mean do you ever feel like it's a futile task?
Well uh I think the the the answer to its ultimate futility would lie in
whether or not there are uh such extraterrestrial advanced civilizations
out there. And what's interesting is um you know in only the last 15 years do we
now have irrefutable proof that planets are ubiquitous. We didn't know that. We
hadn't even discovered planets outside of our own solar system until the mid1 1990s. And it wasn't even until a few
years later that we discovered that's what they were was other planets. Now thanks largely to the Kepler mission we
know that every star in the sky is in fact not a star. It's a solar system. that every star in the sky statistically
has one or more planets around it. And we also know from that same mission that approximately 20 or even 30%, possibly
even more are rocky Earthlike planets um within the so-called habitable zone of
their host star where the energy level isn't too great or too little and would theoretically support liquid water,
which we feel is a fundamental ingredient for biology as we know it. And um and so you do the math and that
suggests that within our own galaxy, which is one of hundreds of billions of others, there are tens of billions of
potentially habitable worlds. So that's a gamechanging bit of new knowledge. Um
and you know, one could argue that well, for the first 25 years of the institute's history, we didn't even know if there were other planets. We were
just hoping there might be. Well, now we know there are. And um uh I think what
so and and it seems like the more we learn the more it is sort of
statistically inevitable um that there is life and even intelligent life beyond
earth. Another way to put it is the statistical probability that we are alone in the universe is zero. Um so I
think that compels us to do the search even if our techniques and technologies are somewhat primitive or somewhat
limited. Um but you know we we in in in the in the cosmic time scale we haven't
been at this for very long right uh you know 40 years in a in a in a 4 billion
year old planet and a 15 billion year old universe is is just nothing at all. So we have we have a long way to go
before I I think we'd be ready to you know hang it up and say we quit. Now when when we as an advanced
technological civilization engage with primitive or how do we say
this indigenous communities that are less technologically advanced than us.
We often have a non-inference policy and you know there are tribes all around the
earth where we basically leave them alone. They're incredibly remote and it makes me think of the prime directive in
Star Trek. you know, Captain Kirk and Spock, they they have this policy that they're very strict about that. And I I
I think Gene Rodenbury when he wrote Star Trek, you know, I think he had some insights because he was connected to
Navy intelligence. And um it's it's very very interesting because is it possible
or do you think it's actually likely that the aliens that do exist, those
advanced technological civilizations out there, they know full well we're looking
for them. They just don't want us to know about them just yet.
Sure. I mean, you know, the one of the things I'm I'm like self-trained to to
to be uh in in this job is open-minded, right? So, I I would, you know, I I
don't believe in in invoking absolutes like absolutely not or absolutely yes. Uh you know, anything's possible. Um and
certainly you know we are as as a as a species on
our own planet sort of invoking this policy of um non-inference.
Um but we have we've only been doing that in modern times, right? I mean we
clearly in our past we've had other examples of you know more advanced
civilizations interacting with less advanced civilizations and spec and well not species civilizations and and you
know the results not going very well for you know for the less uh developed um um
populations. So uh it is certainly I think promising to see that you know in
modern times we've realized that you know the prime directive you know do not interfere um is is really the right
approach. So, is it possible that there are civilizations out there um that know
we are here and um not not so much that they don't want us to know that they're
there, but rather they don't want to interfere with us or, you know, um be disrupting our our own, you know,
evolutionary processes. It's possible. Um, I I would kind of hope that since it
appears that in the course of a civilization moving from being agrarian
to industrial to ultimately technological, you know, there are unintended consequences that come along with our technology that are in fact in
many ways an existential threat to our own existence over, you know, the long-term future. And at that in in that
case, I I almost feel like, well, if there are more advanced civilizations who've solved those problems and they
know we're here and and they observe that we're having these problems, it'd be great if they came and helped us out. But, you know, that's that's maybe
wishful thinking. Now, Bill, I'm I'm in regional New South Wales in Australia and uh only a few hours away across the
the Artback, there's a place called the Parks Observatory that I'm sure you know well. We do. And I I spoke to a few of the BSK
there who are friends of mine and they asked me to give you a prod because they have a nostalgia for a project that I'm
sure you know well called SETI at home. Yes. And it was a project I think it ran
until 2021. I think you ran out of money in the end but it didn't also it didn't get any results. But they have a beef.
They they've got a real issue with you lot there at city. They think you're northern hemisphere focused and their
southern hemisphere and down here on the bottom of the earth we have a beef. you haven't been looking for life in the
southern part of the uh the hemisphere and at one stage it was being mooted that the parks observatory might be
involved in a new city at home project where amateur astronomers sitting at
home would be able to use software that would allow them to search for possibly
artificial signals and that the park's observatory might be a a a focus for
that. Is there any is there any it was being muted a few years ago that they might restore the city at home project
because there is a real nostalgia for it amongst a lot of astronomers including down here in Australia. Is there any
possibility that might be resuscitated? Sure. Well uh lots of different elements to that uh that question starting with
parks. So yes we know the the the group at parks very well. Um we have coordinated with them on SETI
observations in the past. they have been part of a consortium effort uh in a
project called the breakthrough listen initiative and Dr. Andrew Simeon is the head of the breakthrough listen
initiative here in the US. He also heads SETI programs at the SETI Institute and um the breakthrough initiative has used
some of its funding to get time on the parks telescope to do um observations SETI observations from the southern
hemisphere and the southern hemisphere has the advantage over the northern hemisphere that you can look directly at
the galactic center you know which is the more crowded part of the of the g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g galaxy. Yeah, we we we think we're superior down
here, Bill. So, you know, terms of in terms of night sky and and uh uh and a
place to look. It's absolutely correct. Now, at the same time, you you know, your your listeners at south of the
equator will be may be pleased to learn that the two biggest most capable modern
uh radio telescope arrays are being built in the southern hemisphere. One in Australia, you know, the square
kilometer array and the other in South Africa, Mircat. And they are both part of the square kilometer array. um uh
consortium and we are working with both of those organizations to try and also
get programs to do SETI. The newer way of doing SETI on existing instruments
instead of buying time and then having a limited opportunity to look at a certain
place is to do what's called commensal observations. And that means wherever their telescope is pointed at, which is
usually going to be at some particular phenomena, capture the whole field of view and send that set of data to a
different set of computers that are designed to find SETI phenomena as opposed to looking at a particular
astronomical phenomena. And so we're working with different radio telescopes.
We'd love to work with parks in that manner as well. We we have a project on the very large array I mentioned earlier
where we are doing just that. And the amount of data we are generating is extraordinary. It's on the order of
three terabytes per second. So it's massive. And um there in lies one of the
problems with SETI at home or or doing SETI now as a citizen science project. And um it's in some cases like this. I'm
glad to be able to say actually that STEI at home wasn't a SETI institute project because I don't want anybody mad
at us for for no longer supporting it. But at the same time, you know, I'm kind of sorry that it wasn't ours because
it's it's so famous and it's actually um one of the first demonstrations of
distributed computing on the history of our planet. So, it's a really uh innovative. It was done by UC Berkeley
and in fact UC Berkeley uh here in California and the SETI Institute have long worked together and we both built
the Allen Telescope Array together um and Andrew is is based at Berkeley. So, there's lots of ties there. We are
looking at um and and by the way set at home didn't involve citizen science
because we weren't asking people to actually do any data analytics. We were really taking advantage of their
computers and letting them you know there this screen saver operate in the background to help with the computational uh elements. But people
loved it and I get people coming up to me from all corners of our planet from India from China from Africa and so on
saying oh you know I used to do SEI at home. So we are looking at um you know
set at home 2.0 where um this would more likely be like an app on the phone or
something that you could access through your laptop or computer which would give you access to certain data sets that
might then allow you to to play with them. What we have to deal with is is just how large these data sets are now.
Where to store them, how to give people access to them. um you know if you're talking about doing something where you
want to access terabytes of data you know most people's cell phones and laptops can't do that very easily. So
we're we are working on a way to bring SETI data into the hands of citizen
science scientists and and you know reimagine and and and re relaunch SETI
at home which we'd all love to do. So stay tuned and and maybe we can have a future conversation where we're
launching that and it'll be uh very exciting. That's wonderful news, Bill. I'm sure you'll make a lot of astronomers down
here very happy. Um let's move on. You've got SETI, which of course is a passive system. You're listening for
techno signatures from the universe. And then there's Meti. There's the active
city messages to extraterrestrial intelligence. Where do you stand on
that? Obviously, there's a huge philosophical argument in astronomy and indeed in politics. Should we be letting
the aliens know we're here? Yes. So I would say that from a logical
perspective and and just a logical perspective I I
might argue um in support of many um proposers in that if you you know want
to find evidence of you know technological civilizations you know tell them we're
here you know say hello like send out a beacon and um so from a logical point of
view that's actually a very good way to, you know, try and engage some other
civilization because you would they would, you know, know we're here even though it might take a long time for our
message to reach um a potential advanced civilization. But
um uh the the counterargument for that is one that there are very strong
feelings about on both sides. There are strong proponents for and very strong proponents against doing meti. Uh and
the the argument against is you know you might not like who you wake up or who
you know becomes aware of your existence and you know they might come and and do us harm. Um and even you know the
renowned uh physicist Stephven Hawking um was very much opposed to you know the
idea of being many well there's lots of interesting elements of this. One is that if if you know the world's best
minds and some of our greatest scientists have that concern, it also tells me that they firmly believe
there's technological civilizations beyond Earth. Otherwise, they wouldn't care. So, I you know, the the greatest
minds on our planet, I think, are all convinced that there's um likely to be extraterrestrial intelligence out there
somewhere. But um as what's your view, though? Where do you stand? Well, okay. So where where we stand is
as an institution and again in particular also getting government funding. We are not going to do
something that would be viewed as um you know highly controversial and in and by
some as as actually dangerous uh just because we believe it's it's a logical
thing to do. Um so we our official position is we don't do medi we are not
going to do medi and we will not do medi you know until there's more of a global consensus on hey this actually might be
an interesting thing to do what we do want to do and intend to do however is
to be the place where conversations of this kind happen where we bring people together and say you know well let's
talk about the merits for and the the merits against and and so on. I will say that personally I don't believe in the
so-called dark forest uh theory that is at the heart of the don't transmit
argument because um you know they'll they'll come and do harm and because that is the nature of of beings. Um my
personal feeling is you know because of what I mentioned earlier about the potential existential threats we have
created by virtue of our own technological developments eg climate change or you know harnessing the atom
etc. um that you know if there's a technological civilization that is
thousands of years old they have probably gone through the same phase in
their in their evolution or in their existence that we're in now i.e. They've they've solved the problems that were
the result of their own becoming technological. They've, you know, found
energy sources that don't, you know, have the same consequences as as either, you know, nuclear or fossil fuel or
things of this sort. You know, they've solved problems of sustainability and waste management and resource
consumption. And uh and therefore, you know, they've only been able to do that,
I surmise, by being cooperative with one another. They've at some point they've
realized we're all on this planet together. This is one island, and if we don't start cooperating together instead
of killing one another, you know, we're not we're going to kill ourselves by virtue of of, you know, our own um uh
unintentional technologies. So um I and I feel if if a civilization makes that
transition to unite and to solve its problems together and and and also to
come up with you know the technologies or capabilities to address those problems there's nothing we have that
they would need. They're more likely to be benevolent than malevolent because you can't be I don't think evil
fundamentally and and cooperate as a global you know civilization. So I don't
necessarily subscribe to the dark forest theorem but I respect the opinions of of
those who do and I feel that you know uh I I also respect this notion of you know
who who gets to speak for planet earth who should have the right and the ability to you know to do something like
transmit or and and if you know transmitting to to be responsible for
what is in that transmission. So I you know with with that in mind we we uh we
stay away from many we are more than happy and interested to talk about it
and and again I have my own perspectives on what I think about advanced civilizations but uh it's a very
interesting area. Now Bill I'm going to invite you now to be hugely controversial. I want you to
take a swipe, take a swipe at the bloss that run the James Web telescope because
there are a lot of people contacting me and they're espousing, they're pushing a conspiracy theory. James Web now been
operational for quite a while and we're only getting one image a week. One
bloody image a week. You know, they're not releasing that much information. And I do I want to tell you I've got people
telling me on the inside that there is an extraordinary amount of data coming
in that's not being publicly shared. Now we all paid for the James Webb
telescope. It's been a a wholehearted gesture of goodwill from the public to
fund public science. Are they sharing? And on that principle, just to prod you
a little bit, you know, we know we've got hundreds of billions of dollars worth of detection systems in the
military that are funded and you've got NASA doing the similar thing, including with James Web. Are they sharing with
you? And do you think they tell you? I mean, you're a notfor-profit, very
wholeheartedly generous organization that's run on the smell of an oily rag and full of goodwill to do the right
thing. Are you at all confident that you're being shared the information that ought
properly to be being shared in the interests of public science? Sure. Well, a couple of things about
James Web is that um one of its missions is observational astronomy, you know, so
to take pictures to take images and then to share those those image data sets with the scientific public. Um the
however another part of its mission and this is the reason why the mirrors are not silver but they're gold um as you'll
note and and your your audience will note and that is because they're optimized for the infrared part of the
electromagnetic spectrum. So gold mirrors will reflect infrared wavelength light more efficiently than silver. And
the reason that infrared is interesting is because one of the capabilities of James Webb is to do what we call um
molecular spectroscopy on exoplanet atmospheres. So for planets which are
sufficiently close, you know, within a couple dozen light years, um the James Webb telescope can actually look through
their atmospheres with the star light from the star, the host star shining
through those atmospheres and then looking in with infrared detectors on the James Webb telescope um at these
infrared wavelengths and where so-called absorption peaks happen or where light gets absorbed at certain wavelengths.
that tells us what the composition of those atmospheres are. Does you know does the atmosphere have water and
hydrogen and nitrogen and carbon dioxide and methane, ammonia, things like that. And um so um so one of the reasons that
you know we're we're not just getting a stream of image data is because there's these other data sets from James Webb
and there have already been papers published using those data suggesting
the possibility of biology on certain planets because of what's been discovered in the atmospheres. These
atmospheric so-called fingerprints of what might be life we call bio signatures. So we would say that you
know this particular composition of an atmosphere would be difficult to explain without the presence of some life form
on the planet's surface and um um you know we there have been some very interesting discoveries that have been
you know written up in the scientific literature suggesting the possibility that you know there some of these may be
a result of life. So um I know that a lot of data is getting generated. I um
uh we have people on James Web. So based on your provocative question, I will uh
I will seek their their uh you know counsel on on what is the issue with
image data sets from James Web and how frequently they're being distributed. Um I mean all of NASA data is um uh is is
open source. You know that's the policy. I the military is of course different you know and they're not under any
obligation to share anything with any of us least of all the Eddie institute but uh but NASA is to your point it's a
taxpayer funded you know public entity and and it it serves the scientific community now there are times when um
telescopes are used by scientists to perform certain experiments because the
scientist has a certain theory or or re area of research they're working on and
um in in some cases because the science scientist has secured time on the telescope. The data associated with
their observations is not made public until the scientist has the opportunity to take it, look at it, understand
whether there's something new here, publish a paper, and you know, so you get this so-called embargo period sometimes where um the data that's
informing certain kinds of research has a delay before it gets shared with the public because, you know, a scientist
wants to be able to see, you know, is this supporting my theory or can I use this in in my my research? is there a
new and exciting discovery or paper here to be written? Um but uh so I I can't um
either confirm nor deny this notion that there's only one image a week. I find that somewhat hard to believe, but I I
will confirm with my uh my team here and and and check that out. But that those would be the issues that might limit
what people are seeing in the short term coming from the telescope. It does beg the question though, Bill. I mean, you you mentioned the military
does have phenomenal optical technology and a lot of it's looking out towards
space. I didn't realize this until I spoke to friends of mine who've actually seen what's going on at Pine Gap here in
Australia where we we do have a lot of ballistic warning uh looking for ICBMs
being operated by the Chinese, the Russians or the North Koreans to look for imminent launches. But apparently
we've also got satellites looking out into space and those military satellites are highly classified. Do they ever
share with an organization like you? Is there any kind of cross-pollination where somebody from the military comes
and says, "Oh, do you guys want to have a look at this? It's quite interesting." Or or really is there that level of
secrecy? Do you think they would ever tell you if they found evidence of an extraterrestrial civilization?
Yeah. So it it is interesting with um military assets uh that are used for
observations in our own airspace or you know pointing up or pointing down um
that you know I I think there are situations where they would like to share um data or information. Uh we've
had certain conversations along those lines. Um but in many cases
the hesitation to to share information is not because what the information
contains at all but rather we don't want this organization or that organization
or you know these people in a different country to know our capabilities. They don't want to know the capabilities of
these instruments and how sensitive they are, how capable they are and you know and if we share this data even though
it's not data that's interesting to us or has anything to do with national security someone will say oh my god you know look at the capability of this
instrument. So, so that's usually the issue I think around um more of the um
uh let's say intelligence or military-based um assets of this kind is you know they don't want to share
information even if it's scientifically in interesting uh in in concerns over
you know inadvertently sharing information about the technology behind those uh those data. Now Bill you implied at the very
beginning of our conversation that you had other projects that you wanted to tell us about. Is there some new issue
that that city's up to that we should know about? Well, we we do have I mentioned the
cosmic project on on the very large array. Um that is really extraordinary. I I mentioned that as being perhaps the
most comprehensive SETI endeavor ever undertaken so far because it is using
certainly the most um powerful or sensitive and capable radio telescope on the northern hemisphere. the new arrays
in the southern hemisphere will at some point be more capable than than the VA.
Um uh but you know NRAO hopes to build the the next generation VA. So we'll
come back to that um in the future. But um uh this it's also using an
extraordinarily sensitive instrument with a wider frequency range than any anything else we've ever deployed for
SETI purposes. And it's 24 hours a day, seven days a week. and um uh and it's
generating we're we're able to you know process massive amounts of data because of modern compute technologies and so
on. So this where's the where's the receiver for this bill? Th this is the very large array. So this is
the the big telescopes in New Mexico and the the data processing for it is is on
site. So essentially we went in with NOO and we built new backends to those telescopes. Each telescope now has two
optical fibers coming off the back of this 27 dish array. One set of fibers goes to the computers of NIO and the
other set comes to our computers. You know, they're capturing the information about a phenomena that they're looking
at, usually some point in the sky. We're capturing the entire field of view. Um
so imagine looking through binoculars at a hummingbird but um processing all the
information around that hummingbird in you know high resolution and uh and all the time and uh that's what we're doing.
So it's it's generating as I mentioned you know the like three terabytes of data per second and and so it's a huge
huge uh new SETI project uh and we hope to you know replicate that kind of
commensal observation on these new radio telescopes in the southern hemisphere and elsewhere. We're also involved in
conversations about putting a radio telescope on the far side of the moon. And the reason for that is because that
would be a radio quiet area. As I mentioned earlier, the biggest problem we have as radio astronomers looking for
faint radio signals from beyond our our solar system is all the radio signals
not, you know, within our own um Earth's orbit and and atmosphere and immediate
surroundings. I mean, we're surrounded by microwave ovens, garage door openers, cell phones, cell towers, radio, TV,
etc. So, it's an extraordinarily noisy environment. And um so the you put radio
telescopes in remote locations for the same reason you put optical telescopes on high mountains, you know, to get rid
of the things that that make observations difficult. In our case, it's radio interference. For optical
instruments, it's light and and atmospheric density. So um uh you know
that's that's a an interesting um project is is these commenal
observations but uh sorry the interesting project of putting a a telescope on the back side of the moon
gets around this problem of radio interference. And so that's a very serious discussion we're now having. You
know how much it would cost. Launch capability now is much more affordable than it used to be. you know, building,
designing, and deploying a a dish that you could put on the far side and have it self-deploy and open up and, you
know, all of these kinds of technologies are within our grasp um you know, becomes a budgetary issue. Uh so that's
very exciting. And then we have an optical SETI program um called laser seti where we're building we have built
these uh special cameras with two lenses for each camera system and putting multiple camera systems on sites around
the world to do what we call all sky all the time observations looking for you
know laser pulses or optical phenomena that are engineered versus natural and um you know that's again a very
comprehensive project given that it's global you know all sky all the time is the ultimate uh objective there. We have
three observatories. Um we'll cover most of the sky once we have six, but the
ultimate idea is to have as many as 12 different places around the world deploying that technology, which could
be very interesting. Wrapping up, Bill, you've been in the job now for a year or
two. Is there Yeah. Yeah. Is there going to come a day
soon, you think, when you're going to be able to put out a press release and say,
"We think we've found it." Give me give me some hope, sir. Yes. Well, so, uh,
two parallel efforts are ongoing. One, of course, is looking for even the most basic signs of life within our own solar
system. We are part of those at endeavors. And I think quite honestly that within the next 10 or 15 years, we
may actually be in a position where we're saying yes, there's other life even in our own solar system. You know,
we can't have a conversation with it. It's not advanced life necessarily. Could be intelligent life maybe under
the frozen um surface of Enceladus or Europa. Um but uh uh I I do think that
you know finding evidence of life even within our own solar system is within our grasp in a fairly short period of
time and it will be extraordinarily profound as well because especially if that life has a unique biogenesis. In
other words, if it has nothing to do it it emerged on its own um and and with
nothing to do uh with the emergence of life on Earth. um you know the
implications of that would be okay you know it's like game over you know life is is going to be found everywhere I
have a quote which someday I hope to be attributed to me which is the most remarkable thing we may discover about
life is that it's not remarkable at all not that it isn't interesting but it isn't you know that it's everywhere and
it happens at every possible um opportunity so that I think is imminent
in terms of the discovery of of intelligent technological life you know this is a tough one because we could
make an announcement next week, we could make an announcement next year, it could be 10 years, it could be 20. Um, but I
do think because we are deploying more advanced technologies and more um sensitive technologies, we're able to do
things faster and more cleverly um than ever before. Yes, it could be soon. One
maybe quick word about artificial intelligence and how that's allowing us to change the way we look for STEI
signals. So if we're looking for a narrowband radio frequency signal, which
has been the traditional thing we've been looking for in SETI, then we are looking for a very specific phenomena
and we're ignoring anything else, right? um and and therefore we're confining our
search to something, you know, very specific and uh and ET could be doing something completely different. Now,
here's another approach. Take those same radio telescopes and train an AI to
understand the radio background environment in its entirety all the time and find anything different, anything
unusual or anomalous. That's a much more comprehensive technique because it might
find something weird that's wideband and not narrow band or you know who know we're not not doing that at the moment.
We are we are we are now starting to to use AI tools to uh to do study
observations exactly in that manner. In other words, don't look for a particular phenomena. Rather, um, computationally
and mathematically and from an AI perspective, understand, you know, the background reality and then tell me
anything you see that's different. And that's a very, very powerful new capability. So, Bill Diamond, you've
just given me a glorious reason for optimism that someday soon someday soon
you're going to step up to step up to a lect turn and even though those dastardly Drumfelds or whoever they are
in the White House are trying to stop you, you strike me as a decent bloke. You're going to reveal all and tell us
the truth about the ETSs out there. And and there's reason for optimism because with modern AI, we're going to find
things we previously didn't even think possible. Absolutely. So sir, thank you so much. Thank you for
sharing this time with us and I wish you the very very best with City in the future. Thank you very much Ross. It's been a
great pleasure. [Music]
Hello and welcome back to Reality Check. I'm Ross Kulart and today we're delving
into the mystery of 911. Now, I was a reporter covering the
tragedy, the attack on the uh incredible attacks on America in 2001.
And it's a shock to me today as it was back then, the way in which this
incredibly wellplanned attack happened under the radar of the most powerful
country in the world and the most well-informed intelligence agencies working for that country. It was an
appalling intelligence failure, catastrophic intelligence failure. And
the thing that leapt out to me as a reporter in the days following the attacks was why were so many Saudis,
including Saudis who were linked to the House of Saud families with close
connections to the royal family in Saudi Arabia. Why were they, when there was a no-fly zone over the United States,
allowed to discreetly leave the United States, including, incredibly, as we
discovered in the days following, about two dozen members of the Bin Laden
family, no less. And I spoke at the time to an FBI investigator who told me that
he for the life of him couldn't understand why if these people were being allowed to leave America, why
weren't statements being taken off them? What was the explanation for that? And a
lot of those questions remain unanswered. And of course, 3,000 plus people died in
that tragedy. And our guest today is one of those people who lost loved ones.
Terry Strada, you you represent an organization that is taking a lawsuit
against the Saudi government and I think also members of the bin Laden family. Maybe if you could just please introduce
yourself to Reality Check. And I want to explore with you today what's going on
behind the scenes, the mysteries, the questions that are still unanswered about 911.
Yes, thank you very much for having me today. My name is Terry Strada and I am the national chair for the 911 Families
United. This organization consists of over 10,000 victims, family members,
injured survivors, and those who are sick and dying from their exposure to the toxic fumes at ground zero. We are
suing the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for the role that it played in not in aiding
and abetting the 19 hijackers that came here and murdered our loved ones.
So that's a big call. Obviously, I don't doubt for a moment that Bin Laden and
his family I know that members of the Bin Laden family were funding perhaps inadvertently, let's give them that
excuse, through the Alharam charity. I know that money was going from very wealthy people in Saudi Arabia,
including members of the bin Laden family uh to directly to some of the 9/11 hijackers. But in the 9/11
Commission report, there was very much a spin that came through that report that
such connections, such charitable charitable payments were inadvertent,
that they weren't intended that and there was the idea pushed by the 9/11 report. I mean, this is the definitive
investigation into the 9/11 investigation. We were told that, quote,
"It does not appear that any government other than the Taliban financially
supported al-Qaeda before 9/11, although some governments may have contained
al-Qaeda sympathizers who turned a blind eye to al-Qaeda's fundraising activity."
And it went on to say, "Saudi Arabia has long been considered the primary source of al-Qaeda funding, but we have found
no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials
individually funded the organization." And they said in brackets, "This conclusion does not exclude the
likelihood that charities with significant Saudi government sponsorship diverted funds to al-Qaeda." Now Terry,
that's the definitive finding from the 9/11 commission, which was obviously quite a few years ago. What do we know
now? We know so much more now than we did when the 911 commission was published.
The FBI withheld a lot of evidence that they were mandated to hand over to the
911 commission. They withheld it from them. They've withheld it from the 911 families lawsuit. But we have been able
to uncover quite a lot of new evidence. But if you don't mind, I'd like to put
the lawsuit into perspective and that you have to go back to the 1990s leading
up to 2001 and remember that the kingdom was exporting extremism all around the
world. They were sending their religious clerks and operatives into their mosques
and they were spreading the violent Wahhabi uh form of Islam. The United
States was not immune to this activity. Muhammad bin Salman himself, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, he acknowledges
that his government parttook in this type of activity. And now we know from
US intelligence reports that some of these operatives and they were working
out of the Saudi Arabian embassy in Washington DC. They're working in a
program called the Ministry of Islamic Affairs, Muya. And some of these individuals we now know were directly
assisting the 911 hijackers. When we took this report, can I I'll
just finish and you can use it however you want. But when we took this evidence and laid it out in front of a judge, put
it out on the table and we had FBI reports, um, affidavits, US investigative reports, and we laid it
all out and we challenged thei the uh, kingdom to prove that these individuals
were not Saudi government officials. The Saudi Arabian government was unwilling
to do that and unable to do that. And that is why the judge ruled that our lawsuit could move forward.
Because previously there was a sovereign immunity. You couldn't sue a government. And what's the law that was passed in
the Congress that allowed this lawsuit to happen? Can you explain that to our audience? Yes. The Justice Against Sponsors of
Terrorism Act, it's called Jasten. That's the acriman for it. And that is a law that was enacted in 2016.
It took seven years to enact this piece of legislation that allows US citizens
that are harmed by a designated terrorist organization that commits a terrorist attack on US soil that we can
hold the sponsors of that attack responsible in a court of law in a US
court in civil litigation. And the purpose for that is wholesome liability to enable the victim's families, the
injured survivors to have some type of accountability. And that lawsuit or that
I'm sorry that law what enabled us to continue our lawsuit in the courtrooms because yes they were being granted
sovereign immunity which nobody is entitled to if they're involved in a terrorist attack.
So Terry, before we go any further, I'm I'm going to ask you about what happened
to your loved one. Let's talk about your own personal experience with 911 very
briefly. Okay. Uh yeah. So, I lost my husband Tom. Uh, he was 41 years old. He worked
for Counter Fitzgerald. He was on the 104th floor of the North Tower. On that Tuesday morning, uh, he got up to go to
work, and I stayed home with our three children. Tommy was seven, Caitlyn was
four, and the baby was 4 days old, Justin. Tom was only going to go to work
for half a day and come back early because we had the newborn in the house.
Um, shortly after the first plane hit the North Tower, my phone rang and Tom
was on the other end and it was horrible. He was frantically telling me
what was happening and I could hear the screams and the fear. We had over 25
friends that he worked with on his desk. Uh, every single person because nobody made it out of counter that day. So I
with that phone call, I call it a blessing and a curse. It was a blessing for him to reach me, but it's been a
curse I've had to live with hearing that and being, you know, kind of brought right into the horror of all of it.
And you've dedicated pretty much your entire life since to getting to the truth of why that attack was allowed to
happen. Yes, I have. I started in 2002 um when I stood on a stage in Washington
DC with some of the bravest 911 families I know and we announced our lawsuit. Back then, my organization was called
911 Families United to bankrupt terrorism. And the mission hasn't
changed. We've wanted to expose the underbelly of terrorism, the financiers,
and we believe if we can hold them accountable and punish them, that we can stem the flow of money that supports
these terrorist organizations. And I believe if the US government, my own government had taken a stronger stance
on terrorism financing after 9/11, we might not see the growth of Boka Haram,
you know, Hamas, Hezbollah. We wouldn't have g we wouldn't have empowered other countries that you can finance terrorism
because even the United States doesn't hold you accountable. what the family
so Terry I had my own personal experience with Wahhabist Islam funded
by the Saudi Arabians. Uh I covered the Bali bombing attack and I I saw things I
never ever want to see again. Burned bodies and people who subsequently died
who were suffering terrible burns in hospital in Bali. I was sent over there by my Australian network in the very
early days. And then we went to Solo in Java where we confronted Abu Bakab
Bashir who was the Jama Islamir boss of the Jama Islamir terror group. And the
thing that shocked me was how a lot of the people involved in the Bali bombing were middle-class kids whose
Jakartabased parents had looked for a cheap private school education offered
by the Wahhabist Madrases funded by the Saudi government across Indonesia. And
what shocked me was that there were people from your country's CIA in the
American embassy who were telling me how this was the real cancer that was
radicalizing young youth right across Southeast Asia. And one of the problems that we have in Australia, we have
beautiful Muslim communities, but there are a fringe of extremist young people
and elderly Wahhabist clerics who have a malign influence on the people in these
communities because of essentially a strand of Islam, extremist, zealous
strand of Islam that was funded directly by the Saudi government as a way of
propping up Saudi influence. And you're saying that this is very much the same kind of cancer that's behind
what you've uncovered in your investigations. Yes, absolutely. It is the kingdom
spreading of extremism around the world. That was their second export to oil in
the '9s. They don't deny it. Everybody, our government acknowledges it and so
does MBS. Okay. But can I can I can I come then to the the quick
Mhm. Um I want to take you through the evidence that we know about at the moment in the
lawsuit because I think one of the difficulties you have as a campaigner is that you're probably aware of some of
the redacted material that at the moment is not public information. But and I'm a
little bit aware of some of that material that points to more alleged
complicity of senior Saudi government officials. The question the question in
my mind is yes, you had a lot of extremist Wahhabist
supporters inside the Ministry of Islamic Affairs in Saudi Arabia. And the
line that was pushed by the 9/11 report was that because the Saudi royal family,
the House of Sad, they don't really govern. They they let governing be done
for them. They were unwittingly exploited by these extremist Wahhabists inside the government that they weren't
aware of these people doing these terrible things, funding through known charities, these terror groups.
Let's go through the evidence that you have at the moment for your lawsuit that's public, including the video that
came out most recently, and then let's talk about what might be behind the redacted material that you're still
pushing to get put out into the public domain. Right. So, 10 days after September 11th,
the Metropolitan Police in London raided Omar Album Bay Aumi's apartment. And he
was at that time a person of interest because his name was on the lease for
the two hijackers that crashed into the Pentagon, Hazmi and Madar, the first arriving hijackers. When they seized
this evidence out of his apartment, it was a treasure trove of evidence and they sent it to the FBI. It contained
videos. It contained his uh phone book. It contained a drawing a plane
trajectory which we can talk about. And when the FBI received it, they did
absolutely nothing with it. They actually buried it for at least 10 years.
Now, why did that happen? I mean, I I' I've got friends in the FBI. I know people in the counterterrorism groups in
the FBI. They were dedicated people who really wanted to nail the bad guys that
were responsible for 9/11. What went wrong, Terry? There's absolutely wonderful people in
the FBI that dedicated their lives to investigating what happened, but there
were people within the FBI that did not want the truth to come out and they have
bent over backwards to protect the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. It's self-preservation.
At that level, those people never wanted to take any responsibility for their failures. But that isn't why 911, it's
part of why 911 happened, but it's because of the kingdom putting their government employees into the Saudi
Arabian embassy. And it was because of their extremist beliefs that they then
supported the 19 hijackers. And they created the support network that was needed here in the United States in
order for them to carry out the attacks. everything they needed from their housing, their car rentals, their plane
lessons, their airplane tickets to practice run. So for 12 to 18 months,
the hijackers were here and there was a support network that was put in place by Saudi government officials by government
people on the Saudi government um payroll that was justly let's just
quickly talk about Al Bayumi Omar Albumi. What was his connection to the
Saudi government? In 2017, the FBI confirmed that he was a
Saudi intelligence officer. He was not just a Saudi national here on
a student visa working for a company that he never showed up to, but was collecting a paycheck. And when the
first arriving hijackers got here out in California where Albayi was, his salary
tripled. He was a Saudi intelligence operative.
Now, one of the things you just mentioned in the um in the raid that was done by Scotland Yard in London in the
apartment in North London where Alba was living at the time, there was a document
found that appeared to be some kind of document planning the rate of descent
necessary for an aircraft to reach a particular altitude and particular location. Can you explain to me what we
know about that document? Yes. It's called the plain drawing and when Bayumi was deposed, he admitted it
was his handwriting. So, we know it belonged to Al Bayumi. And what it is, as you just said, it's a trajectory and
it's calculations of if you didn't have instruments, how would you land the
plane? And it shows the if you put the calculations in and experts have done this, it shows the rate of descent
needed to hit a target on the ground. I think one of the calculations also when they did the mathematical equations
showed the descent to hit the twin towers. So it's a there's a drawing of an airplane. There's the mathematical
calculations and when you do the calculations as an expert as a pilot
does I think we used a pilot that had seven decades of experience in military
and commercial aviation and they have concluded that no doubt this was part of
the 911 attacks. Now, one of the things that uh the there
was a Senate Select Committee for Intelligence report that was done because I think of a lot of the good
work done by yourself raising public awareness of the fact that there were unanswered questions that there was
clearly redacted material that was being withheld by the US government. And I
think from memory, there was a Florida Democratic senator called Bob Graham who was the chair, like he was the most
powerful person on the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time. And he said in his sworn statements
after their report came out that there was evidence of support from the Saudi government for the terrorists. And
incredibly, my understanding is there were and still are 28 redacted pages
from that report that the public still haven't been allowed to see in in their entirety.
In 2016, the 28 pages were released, but they of the TW if you were to add up all
of the redactions, it adds up to about three pages worth of information, which is was critical that they decided to
withhold. But what was so astonishing, that was my point, is that that even though they've supposedly released these
redacted pages, they're still redacted and uh nothing's ever released in its entirety.
Nothing. Everything still hiding. And something hiding stuff. So,
absolutely. What can I tell you what we learned in those 28 pages? The what we did learn?
We did learn that money was going through Prince Bandar. So he was the ambassador, the Saudi Arabian ambassador
to the United States and money was going through his account as well as his wife's bank account out to California to
these handlers by Yumi and Thumari and some money was being transferred like I
said through their bank accounts out to them in California. So we knew that money was funding from the embassy. I
what I take away from the 28 pages is the two things that we learned was one that the Saudis are undeniably complicit
in September 11 and that the Saudis were also never fully investigated. That
report came out before the 911 commission. Let let's drill down into that because again there was a brief
mention I think in the 9/11 report or in one of the later reports that it was Prince Bandar's wife who donated money
to the Alh Haramain charity which funnily enough is the charity that was funding a lot of the addresses I was
talking about the the religious teaching institutions in Indonesia that I came across which were helping fund the
Wahhabist extremists in Indonesia. Now the spin that has been put on this is
that yes these were inadvertent fundings done by I think Prince Bandar's wife
that it's part of I think they call it zakat and please forgive me any Muslim
friends if I've mispronounced that but essentially there is a duty in Islam to
support those less welloff than yourself and the argument was that this was an inadvertent funding it wasn't
intentional and that money channeled through these charities was being given for noble purposes, not specifically and
intentionally for terrorism. What evidence do we have to suggest that there was knowledge at the highest
levels of the Saudi government that this money was being directed to support an
act of terrorism on the American public? bank records. Bank records show deposits
and bank records show withdrawals and they show who made these deposits and
who was withdrawing the money. So the bank records support that the money was going to terrorist organizations.
But sorry, my understanding is it was the money from Prince Bandar's wife, for example, that you talked about. My
understanding is it went to an Islamic charity and that the excuse that's being
used is that she's a good woman. She's got a lot of money. I think there was $36 million talked about and that this
money was being diverted just for good noble purposes as a good Islam woman to
basically support people less welloff than herself. What's the evidence that Prince Bandar, his wife, or senior Saudi
government officials actually knew that they were supporting a terrorist attack
on America? Because that's the implication of what you're saying. It is. It's because they were sending
money out to the handlers in California that were handling the hijackers. They didn't just give money to charity. They
also wrote checks and sent money directly to the handlers of the 911
hijackers. So these were I think the one of them was Al Bayumi that you've mentioned,
Omar Al-Bayumi. And and who was this Fad Alumare? He was a Saudi government
employee working in the LA consulate, but he was also linked to the King Fad
Mosque in Los Angeles. Correct. And that is in so right. So
Thumari um was tasked by some of the employees
back at Moya in Washington DC to assist the hijackers when they came to the
United States and so was Bayumi. So originally their story was that Bayumi
just met these two hijackers in a cafe by accident. He heard them speaking
Arabic so he befriended them. But what did he do? He took them to a bank, Bank of America, and he opened up a bank
account for them. They gave him $9,999 in cash to open up this bank account.
And then he went and signed a lease for their apartment. So they were very close to where he lived. And then he tried to
tell uh, you know, the police or when he was arrested, his story was, you know, I
was just being a good Saudi Arabian citizen. It's what we do. We help people out when we meet them. But do you really
go to the extent of opening up bank accounts and putting your name on a lease? And then the story just unfolds
and it gets so much bigger and the the net gets so much bigger about who was
actually involved in tasking Bayumi in tasking Bumari and the evidence that
came out of Bayumi's apartment tells the whole story. Okay, so let's let's deal with this now.
The 9/11 report. I'm just using the 911 report as a template because I think it's instructive. It's what the American
people were told the government determined in what was meant to be a transparent and open and full and
rigorous inquiry into 9/11. Okay. So this is what the 911 report said
about what happened with these two terrorists, Hazmi and Mid Midhar in
their first few weeks in the states. So we have associated we have investigated
whether anyone associated with the King Fad mosque investigated in assisted them. This subject has received
substantial attention in the media. Some have speculated that Fad aluri, an imam
at the mosque and an accredited diplomat at the Saudi Arabian consulate from 96 until 2003, may have played a role in
helping the hijackers establish themselves on their arrival in Los Angeles. This speculation is based at
least in part on Thermare's reported leadership of an extremist faction at the mosque.
Now, I know you've got an answer for this, but I'll just I'll just finish. The definitive conclusion from 9/11 was
the the circumstantial evidence makes Thari a logical person to consider as a
possible contact for Husmi and Midhar. quote, "Yet after exploring the
available leads, we have not found evidence that Thermari provided
assistance to the two operatives." Now, I I'll tell you, Terry, I'll say
what I think that is. That is That is a total lie. They knew at the
time, didn't they, about Fad Alamuri's funding to these two al-Qaeda operates
operatives, didn't they? Well, what the 9/11 Commission knew
exactly, I don't know. I can't answer. I can't speak on that. All I know is what they claimed in their re final report
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description box below. What is it that we know now, Terry,
that's that's been hidden by the US government that they almost certainly knew at the time of the 9/11 Commission
report? What is being concealed from the American public about this incredible
period in American history? What don't we know? Please tell us. This is the 911 commission did not know
about this evidence. The FBI did not hand over this evidence to the 911
commission. Therefore, their findings are very different than the truth. So,
there was also a secret um investigation into the kingdom that went on for 10
years post 911 called Operation Encore. And that was the FBI doing a very very
thorough job of investigating the attacks. However, that's been released. It's heavily redacted. our uh
representatives can see a lot more of it than we can and we are still fighting in court to get it uh lifted from a
protective order in the courtroom. So there's still a lot that's being hidden from us. But okay, so now what do we
know? Uh because of the evidence that was found in Bayumi's apartment, we know
that Thumari and Bayumi were much closer in relations to the hijackers when and
they were they were involved with al-Qaeda operatives. They were involved
with um other diplomats that came from the embassy. But the al-Qaeda
operatives, two of them, they're part of the advanced team that Moya sent out to California.
And um both of them are al-Qaeda operatives or have very close ties to
al-Qaeda. And those men helped task by
Yumi and Thumari with what needed to be what needed to be done in this support
network to help these hijackers. There was a welcome party where you see
Thumari and Bayumi with the hijackers in a very casual setting. Uh so to tell the
uh FBI or to to deny that they knew each other is or that they knew them as well as they did has been proven to be wrong.
And there's phone records now between everybody. And the phone records don't
lie that they were actually speaking to each other and calling the embassy in
south in Washington DC during this time that the hijackers were uh just firstly
first in the United States and setting up the support network. So those first two um advanced team after they left
California, they went to Oklahoma and Missouri. Those are the two places where Hosmi and Madar went after they left
California. And the story continues that wherever uh that those two people went,
then those two hijackers followed. So they were setting up what was needed in whatever town they were going to next.
Remember, they were here for 12 to 18 months. What's the most damning piece of evidence that you've seen where Thumari
and Bayumi clearly went beyond just showing Islamic hospitality to these new
people who'd arrived in America? I would say the welcome party, the welcome video
that clearly shows that Madar and Hosmi were were guests of
honor instead of the narrative that they tell is that they were sitting in a back
room and they really weren't involved with the people that were there. Because when the video camera scans the room is
when you learn how many Saudi government officials were in the room.
And what's the evidence though that any of those Saudi government officials had
any knowledge that these two men were terrorists, hijackers planning an attack?
through the reporting and through the evidence, it shows which jobs they were
tasked with. So, different ones were tasked to help them with their flying
lessons. Different ones were tasked to help them with their bank accounts. Different ones were with their um buying
a car, their English lessons. They, you know, they, all of these individuals
that were at this welcome party had jobs to do to help the hijackers.
So, just just help me here for a moment, Terry. I mean, I I still wrestle with this, and I know the answer, but I want
you to explain it to our audience. Why on earth would people working for the
Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs want to launch an attack in any way sponsor
an attack on America which after all is one of Saudi Arabia's biggest customers
for its oil and is notionally a close friend of America. What on earth would
be the motivation of these people for launching such an attack? And and is it
possible that these people who were working I think through the opaces of the Islamic uh the ministry of Islamic
affairs in Saudi Arabia is it possible that they were just a bunch of hotheads
who were doing this without the knowledge of the higherups in the in the royal family people like Prince Bandar?
Well again there was money going from Prince Bandar's bank account to assist them. And it was Prince Bandar that went
to President Bush and asked him to please get them all out of the country.
And he didn't want any of them to be questioned. When a when an al-Qaeda
operative was arrested and they confiscated his phone book, he had the very private phone number of Prince
Bandar's residence in Colorado that nobody had. So,
but why what why would anybody in the Saudi government I mean I I I wrestle with this still what was going on? Why
would the Saudi government either officially or unofficially even if it
was compromised by a few people from within? Why would those people want to launch an attack on America?
Because these were jihadists. These were jihadists with extremist
ideology that you know wanted to attack and kill Americans and they found a way
to do it to just come under the radar into the United States go to the Saudi
embassy. Moya, the Ministry of Islamic Affairs, was filled with extremists and
likeminded al-Qaeda operatives, and some had diplomatic credentials that were falsified so that the United States
government wouldn't be watching closely what they were doing and what they were up to. So, it it's a branch of the Saudi
government, the Ministry of Islamic Affairs, and it is government officials on the Saudi payroll that created the
support network that was needed to carry out the attacks. their motivation.
Osama bin Laden let us let everybody know when he issued a fatwa years before
that he was going to attack the United States on US soil. It was just it was al-Qaeda that hated the Americans that
wanted to do this and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia was filled with extremists
that had al-Qaeda operatives. So, al-Qaeda is a very wellorganized
um terrorist organization and they knew the only way they could carry out the
attacks is if they had a support network set up in the United States that was like you said going kind of under the
radar. And for whatever reason back then, Saudis were not were not um they were
not under suspicion. And even though our FBI, there was an
FBI agent in Minnesota or Michigan, you know, that called the New York FBI uh
offices to tell them that, you know, these Muslim nationalists or these Saudi nationalists were taking flying lessons.
They only wanted to learn how to fly to take off. They never they didn't want to learn how to land. And she was very concerned about that. Well, that got
ignored. the Phoenix, you know, Arizona memo, uh, trying to alert the FBI again
that these extremists or ID, you know, these people were trying to fly planes and not land them. There were so many
warnings that got ignored and yes, it was an intelligence failure. But when you ask me why did Saudi Arabia want to
attack us, it's because they were filled with radical Islamists, terrorists, and
jihadists. And they were spreading it around the world. They were building their mosques and filling their mosques
with these radical clerics. And they were radicalizing people and it was just
a very, very poisonous, venomous um program. and it happened. I don't know
why or how, but it did. You you've talked about the welcome video, which was the video of the party where
Al Bayumi and Fad Alamari hosted the two hijackers, the two terrorists. But
there's also another video which I personally find the most damning, and that's a video that was allegedly shot
by uh Bayumi, Alb Bayumi, uh in 1999.
Yeah. And can you can you explain what that video shows? And for me the most
chilling point in that video is where Albayumi
refers to the plan. Yes. Yes. So as part of the evidence
that was uh seized in London, there was a casing of the US capital that Bayumi
is in. Right. So there's somebody filming Bayumi while he is in Washington DC and he does he talks of the plan and
he they are carefully going over the entrances the security posts uh they go
inside the cap. He says greetings you know to my esteemed brothers and he
talks about going over to the Washington Monument and he'll get back to them when he gets over there. He talks about he
sees some um workers on a scaffolding and he goes up and he's looking at it
and he talks about the demons. He said that we, you know, the Americans call our children the demons. He said they
are the demons. It's a very eerie, shocking video to watch in its entirety.
you do see and learn and experts have confirmed this video was filmed in the
90day period that al-Qaeda was choosing its targets in the United States and the
capital was one that they were all in agreement that they wanted to use on as
part of their planning. In fact, as I understand it, flight 93 that was brought down in Pennsylvania, it was
it's speculated that it was flight 93 there, which was heroically brought down
by passengers that fought the terrorists. Um, it was intended to hit
the capital. And I think on that video, I'll just talk to what the video shows. There's a moment where Al Bayumi is
filming what looks like the um X-ray machines or the machines that scan for
weapons as you go into the capital building. And he actually says, "You
said that in the plan." That's a clear admission that there's
some kind of sinister reason for why he's showing the security checkpoints at
the Congress, isn't there? Oh, absolutely. And also in the video when he does get
over to the Washington Monument and he scans over to the um the Smithsonian and
he scans over to the Smithsonian. And if you're looking at an aerial shot between
the monument and the Smithsonian, it creates a clear runway to the
capital. Now, the thing that really shocks me, Terry, is that video came into the
possession of the American authorities within days of the 9/11 attack. They've
had that video since they raided Alba Yumi's apartment in 2001.
So, 20 23 years ago, they got that video
nearly a quarter of a century ago. And it's only just come out now.
Yes. And it didn't come out because the FBI ever cooperated or wanted it to come
out. It came out because our representatives, the 911 families, went to London and asked them if we could
have it. And they released it to our representatives without a protective
order, which meant the public could see it. But then the courts put a protective
order on it immediately. And it took months to unravel that decision. And
finally, because it was did not belong to the FBI and it did not belong to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia because both of
those things are under protective order. The judge had to release the protective order and say this can now go out into
the public domain. And yes, so then experts took it and and they've
translated into English. And that's why you can see it now. It's on my website. You can see this video. And it is very
disturbing and very very upsetting not just to see it but like you said to know
they had it that many years ago. So just help me here. I'm a bear with a very small brain. I want you to state
the bleeding obvious. Terry, why on earth would officials in the FBI, the
American government, perhaps the White House, why would they want to suppress a video which at the very least reflects
very poorly on the motivations and the sinister implications behind why a Saudi
diplomat, a spy, was filming the Congress in that 90-day period before
Osama bin Laden was selecting targets. for the attacks that he was planning on America. Why would your government, why
would the American government want to hide something like that? The answers that I've been told are in
the beginning when it came over to the FBI that they were understaffed and they
were working so hard, worried about another attack because this is, you know, 10 days, two weeks after the attacks, it was in Arabic. They didn't,
this is what I've been told, they didn't have enough uh translators and it just looked like because it's listed as home
movies, home videos. That's what Bayomi wrote on the videos. You know, it looked like home movies. There was a phone book
in Arabic and this is what they tell us. I'm not saying I believe it 100% at all,
but that it just didn't seem that important. And it sat around for 10
years um in a warehouse I believe and was never supposed to be seen by the
American. You believe that Terry? I don't believe that for a moment. I think any sensible
seasoned police investigator looking at that video would reach the conclusion
that at the very least it provides circumstantial evidence of some kind of
a sinister plot. Why would a Saudi intelligence official be filming the
Congress's security checkpoints, security officials, even the black cars
that they use for escorting politicians? And why would he be saying you said that
in the plan? It's more than just a tourist video, isn't it? Oh, absolutely. But remember, Bayumi was
not known as a Saudi intelligence operative post 911. It wasn't until 2017
that we saw that we have now can see the FBI reports confirming that he is a
Saudi intelligence officer. So their story is that they didn't even look at
these videos because Bayumi wasn't known as to anybody and that they just saw
home videos on them and so they and everything was in Arabic. They, you know, the first guy that popped it into
a machine couldn't understand what it was. So this is their story and that it just got put aside for at least 10
years. So clearly America buys an enormous
amount of oil from Saudi Arabia and it's quite obvious that at one stage
President Obama when he came into power he sought to stop and block certain
things from being made public because the Saudis were actually threatening to
pretty much destroy the American economy if the laws that allowed this lawsuit to
to be taken were enabled. Um, you're up against an incredibly powerful lobby,
aren't you? Let's be honest about it. The American government doesn't want to insult the Saudis. They may not like
them. They certainly, I know for a fact, they don't like the Wahhabist extremist Islam that they were promoting through
their madrasas all around the world, including in my neck of the woods in Indonesia. But, um, they've got to get
on with them. And let's be politically pragmatic for a moment. There's still a
hell of a lot of redacted information that you and your lawyers want to get your hands on because you think there's
more evidence behind the redacted documents that so far you haven't been
allowed to see. What do you know about what's behind those redactions? Do you
believe that those documents show even greater evidence of Saudi government complicity in the 9/11 attacks? Yes,
100%. Otherwise, they wouldn't be so heavily redacted and they'd let us see everything. Everything we've we know
that gets uncovered, the 28 pages, Operation Encore, what was in Bayumi's
apartment, it's always tied to the Saudis. So, yeah, they're they're still
protecting them and and it's extremely frustrating. And um the families are
getting older. You know, we've lost a lot of family members, parents that have died without any justice for their
families. And this is a terrible travesty of justice to allow this lawsuit to go this many years. And the
Saudis have not, from what I've seen, produced any evidence. You know, they just want to be dismissed from the case.
That's why we just had another hearing on their motion to dismiss is because that's their defense is just dismiss us.
So I'm in I'm quoting from the lawsuit here. Basically the um lawyers
representing Saudi Arabia. They challenged the lawsuit on the basis that
um they deny that Saudi officials directed support to the hijackers or were otherwise complicit. They say
Thumari did not assist the hijackers at all. Oh, and they said that his alleged actions
would not have fallen within the scope of his official responsibilities. They say that Bayumi's assistant was minimal
and unrelated to terrorist activity and neither he nor Tamari belonged to a
jihadist network. Oh. Um they say that they say the capital
view, you know, the video that we're talking about is nothing more than a typical home movie by an enthusiastic
tourist. And the San Diego video of Bayumi's party in the hijacker's apartment is just a gathering of
mosquegoers for some purpose unrelated to the presence of two newly arrived al-Qaeda terrorists. So
what do you think is going to happen? Obviously there's there's still arguments toing and throwing in the
court. Often the best fun in a court case happens with the argi the argument
about what documents and what evidence will be allowed in. Do you think that the lawsuit is going to be allowed to
proceed with the evidence that you know is hidden behind those reductions?
Oh, I certainly certainly hope so. I don't see how the judge could not keep
them in the lawsuit and allow it to continue based on what I saw on the July 31st hearing where all of this evidence
was seen for the very first time. And the kingdom tells a story, but they have
no evidence that ever can back up their theories because with discovery, we now
have the phone records, and we never had that before. The phone records don't lie. You can't. And and there were other
videos found in the apartment of them with the cleric Alawaki, the known um
underwear bomber from California. You know, they're in a video with him. There's videos of them with al-Qaeda
operatives. There are phone records of them speaking to al-Qaeda operatives. And there's money coming, you know,
flowing in from charities through al-Qaeda. The kingdom doesn't even deny that they gave money to al-Qaeda.
They're trying to deny that any of the that the government had anything to do
with the 911 attacks. But you sent your government officials here to the United
States and they were known jihadist sympathizers. They were extremists. You
were doing that around the world. Do we think the United States was immune to that? No. They were filling the mosques
with extremists and they put them in Moya and the Ministry of Islamic Affairs. And what happened next was a
horrific, you know, plan and plot to use airplanes as missiles and to hit our
landmarks and to murder Americans on American soil. That was Osama bin Laden's grand scheme and the kingdom
funded it and gave the hijackers everything they needed to carry out the attacks. Let's go back to 911.
We're in the days following 911. Let's let's do something that should
have been done by the FBI and all of the intelligence services in the wake of
that appalling attack on the American people.
Yes, evidence starts emerging of Saudi complicity. We know that 15 of the 19
hijackers are Saudis. That's shocking in and of itself.
Then you've got this ridiculous situation where Prince Bandar, the Saudi
government senior official in the embassy in Washington, is pleading with the Bush government administration to
get all of these Saudi family people, the House of Saud family people out of
America as quickly as possible. But there's a no-fly over the entire continental USA. The FBI is being asked
to help facilitate these families. Incredibly, there were police officers who were brought in to help these people
get out of the country and get to an airport where they could be put on a plane and flown back to Saudi Arabia.
What if instead of putting all of these people onto the plane, they were deposed
and made to do interviews with the FBI before they got onto the plane and including some of the members of the bin
Laden family themselves who were later implicated in paying money to the Al-Haramain charity that was actually
funding some of these terror attacks? What if they'd actually taken statements from these people in 2001 before they
were allowed to leave the country? And then what if they had aggressively investigated the probability that Saudi
government officials were involved in these attacks? Because we now know, as you've rightly pointed out, and as your
lawsuit demonstrates, we know that these two Saudi government officials were involved with these hijackers. What if
the United States government, instead of tugging its forlock to the Saudi Arabian government and saying, "Yes, sir, no
sir. We don't want to st we don't want to lose your oil." What if they'd taken them on and said, "This is appalling.
This is outrageous. You are a friend of our country. You have attacked our country and murdered
our citizens. You will get to the bottom of this now. And we do not give a we do
not care at all what it will take to get to the bottom of this. We will annihilate you if you don't give us the
answers." What if the US had played tough with the Saudis and actually done the job of properly investigating what
you're revealing now? Do you think we would have got a different result?
Yes, I do think we would definitely have gotten a different result. We would have gotten the truth instead of lies and
cover up all these years. Do you think that the lawsuit is going
to be influenced by the American government? You mean they can plead, the government can plead sovereign
privilege? I don't know what you call it over there, but over here in Australia, we have a thing called public interest
immunity, which allows the government to basically disguise or hide anything it
wants to hide that involves national security or international relations. If they don't want to upset a government
and there's something stinky in a document they don't want revealed, they can hide it. Now, your government can
pretty much do the same, can't it? Yes. Yes. And they have done the same. That's why we haven't seen all of this
information for nearly two decades. But the lawsuit with Discovery and President
Biden in 2021 issued an executive order that mandated our intelligence agencies
to go back and declassify everything to the greatest extent possible. The FBI,
the DOJ, the CIA have been dragging their feet. They do not cooperate with
the executive order fully. Uh but then other things have come out like this
evidence that was found in Pyumi's apartment. I mean, thank God we have that and some of the heavily redacted
documents the uh representatives can see more than we can see. So, a lot of names
have been revealed over the years now. It wasn't just those two individuals.
Yes, they were the ones tasking to help them directly, but they had dozens at 27
to 30 other Saudi officials helping them out. So, it's an outrageous It's just
completely outrageous that this was it. It makes it makes me very angry. And I mean, obviously you lost a loved one and
obviously many friends in the attacks in in New in New York. I mean, I I saw what happened in Bali.
And I'll never forget that. And and to me the the thing that really shocked me
was the tolerance that was shown by my government, by the Indonesian government
towards the Saudis who were implicated in funding this poisonous Wahhabist
Islamist, hateful, really hateful strand of Islam.
And um I I don't know if you know much about Indonesia, but when I first traveled there as a very young man, it
had a beautiful form of Islam called Sufi Islam, which was a very gentle and
kind form of Islam. And over the last 30 or 40 years, I've watched the radicalization of young people,
including intelligent middle-class people, very rich people in Indonesia, who are being poisoned by this cancerous
Wahhabist streak of Islam. And it led to the attacks of 9/11. And the thing that
really shocks me from what you're saying is the cover up about the Saudis
involvement in doing that. Even if they've changed their tune now, it continues to this day.
Yes, it does. I don't obviously I how how can I possibly know the reasons
other than what I could imagine is that the kingdom or the Saudi government is
the lesser of the two evils in the Middle East between Iran and Saudi Arabia and if we can continue propping
up the kingdom and and you know that trying to keep some peace in the Middle
East has to do with the survival of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia but it doesn't
excuse them for what they did. It doesn't excuse them for the spread of
Wahhabism, this cancerous form of Islam that they financed and
allowed to flourish. You know, they unleashed the Frankenstein on the world and innocent Americans were murdered on
September 11th. And nobody should have to bear witness to the carnage left behind um of a terrorist attack like you
have witnessed and the rescue workers witnessed. And wherever a horrible attack happens, innocent people see
things they can't unsee and and and rescue workers and policemen, you know, are are part of that. They have to
witness carnage. Nobody should. So, I've really taken on this mission because I
want justice for the 911 families. I want justice for the murder of my husband, but I also hope that we can
deter future terrorist attacks by exposing this underbelly, the financial network that supports extremism. And
yes, uh the kingdom was the father of al-Qaeda and Sudan was its mother.
That's where the terrorists were nurtured and and trained and and protected. Um Iran wasn't any better.
So, it's about rooting out the evil and trying to expose it and creating better
policies going forward. So, where are you at with the lawsuit? What's the status of the lawsuit at the
moment? Right now, we are waiting for the judge to make his determination whether he
will uh dismiss the kingdom or keep them in the lawsuit. So, they have filed a
motion to be dismissed. The hearing was on July 31st. It's where a lot of this evidence came out. And the kingdom had
nothing to really show. Um, the kingdom really was very weak in their arguments.
They tried to tell the judge that the plane drawings and the trajectories that
show calculations to hit a target on the ground were Bayumi's son's homework.
That was their defense. Bayumi himself in his own deposition did not say
anything about that being his son's homework. So that is how weak their defense is because you can't defend the
indefensible. So they really have very little and they don't have things to to
argue in the court. All they want is to be dismissed. They because they know
they don't have a case. And I'm really we know we're in pins and needles here. The families we're headed towards the
anniversary. It's a very disturbing time. time of year for us and the judge hasn't ruled yet. Um, and we don't know
when he will. Um, you know, he'll just it'll just come one day. We don't know yet.
How how deep would this go for the families
to see the judge throwing out the lawsuit against the Saudi Arabian government in light of what you you know?
Oh boy. Um, you know, I I I
don't want to live in the world in a world where the poor families will have to go through something that traumatic
um to another dismissal because they have been dismissed in the past, but they were dismissed before this
discovery was ever happened. And now that we have all of this evidence, none of us can possibly imagine that they
will be dismissed. But if they are, then we have to go back to the appellet courts and we have to appeal the decision. And we have to encourage
Congress to enact legislation that solidifies what the Justice Against
Sponsors of Terrorism Act was meant to do, and that is to be able to apply aiding and abetting correctly. So
there's even sometimes a technicality that could cause a dismissal. We're trying to just tie up all the loose ends
to ensure that that never happens. But I the evidence speaks for itself. They were
they were definitely complicit in the attacks at a level nobody knew before this evidence came out.
Well, Terry Strata, I think anybody watching this at the very least wants to
make sure that you and all the other families of the victims of 9/11 get the
opportunity to have your day in court. I I think most Americans would be offended
by the idea of the American government cravenly participating in a cover up to
conceal evidence of Saudi government complicity, if that exists. And I think
that the uh the the the simple fact that a government might feel cowed about
allowing a lawsuit to go ahead because it's worried about the damage to the economy.
There's no way that morally this should be allowed to be hindered. There should be an open and public accounting for
what really happened in 911. And I think most people in the world would be behind you.
Yes. Thank you. And you're absolutely right. You know, Congress supports our
day in court, right? They they they support legislation and then they support our efforts. It's been our
administrations and it's been every single one of them. it. The Bush administration started it when they
excised the 28 pages from the joint inquiry and fully redacted that. Then
when President Obama came along for seven years, we were trying to get the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism
Act enacted seven years, his entire presidency, and he vetoed it. When the
911 families had to go back to Congress and ask them to please, you know, do your best to override the veto, and they
did. And that was the one and only veto override of his entire presidency. So he was no help to us. He never wanted us to
have our day in court. And then comes along President Trump. And now we're in the courtrooms. We just need the
evidence. And we go to him personally to Washington DC to the White House on the
19th anniversary of September 11th. Family members, I was one of them, and asked him to please, you know, release
this evidence. And the very next day, AG Bar stamped state secrets across everything. And it was an egregious
abuse of the state secrets process because you can only in this country apply state secrets if it's a threat to
national security. And there was no threat to national security having any of this released. So what happens after
Trump leaves office is President Biden comes in and he issues the exe. We go for a um the transparency act, the 2021
transparency act. Congress is I was there in front of the capital introducing the bill and within months
or no very short amount of time um Biden picked up the legislation and he used
the language and he wrote this executive order and he said you know give them everything to the best that you can and
the FBI still held on to all of that Bayumi evidence. So they've never our
intelligence agencies do not cooperate and they do not help us and the administration is who the Department of
Justice answers to. So again, Congress really cares and they do the best that
they can and that's why I need them to enact the ensuring justice for victims of terrorism act because that's a
technical fix to the bill JASTA. We just need to make sure that our laws are as strong as they can be to hold sponsors
of terrorism attacks responsible in a courtroom. Um, but it's been every
administration, doesn't matter if it's a Republican or a Democrat, everyone comes in and they they they get told somehow
somewhere that you're going to side with the Saudis and you're not going to help the families.
Well, Terry Strata, you are a formidable advocate for your cause, and if I was
the Saudi government or the American government trying to cover this up, I'd be putting up the flag of surrender. So,
I think everyone wishes you the very very best in your lawsuit. Justice is all about shining light onto things that
that aren't being revealed. And so, we wish you all the best. And thank you so much for joining Reality Check.
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Okay. So, what originally happened? I'm going that way. I see one car speed past me in the wrong lane of traffic. He rolls in. That woman's chasing me. Woman
chases him in the wrong lane of traffic. They go down this way. I I lit up at Daisy Bates and Broadway. She fled and
came to here. I get out. The woman over there. Let me call Chief. A woman runs from police, fleeing for
four blocks before pulling into a parking lot of a business owned by her father, who's also a state senator. Her
father, a state senator, actually interferes with police duties and gets arrested. My name is Bill Walker. Senator Bill
Walker. The higher-ups at the department find out that the officers made a lawful arrest of a member of the ruling class
and immediately demand his release. Apparently, Senator Bill Walker, they've got in a vehicle. I'm trying to get the
story from everyone. Take him out of cuffs immediately. Without having the slightest clue what he's been arrested for. Could have been
shoplifting, murder, rape. Didn't matter. Release him now. Kirk, take take Walker out of cuffs
immediately. Not taking nobody out of cuffs. Our chief gave him out of what that you can take him out. I'm not
doing that. I just gave you I disagree with many of the laws that are on the books and believe they
shouldn't be enforced on anyone. But whether you agree or disagree with any legislation or police policies, this
body cam footage shows clearly what I've been trying to tell people for years. Laws don't matter at all to the lawless.
You are simply ruled by a gang of thugs, thieves, murderers, and pedophiles that call themselves the legislature, the
executive, and the judicial branch. They'll try to tell you that they're a governmental system of checks and balances, but what you're about to
witness here is something that we rarely actually get to see caught on camera. She had a suspended license and per
policy it says that we do have to tow for suspended. However, I am understanding that you know if chief is
saying let this vehicle go, let this vehicle go. My name is Bill Walker. Senator Bill Walker. Have you heard from your chief
yet? All the quiet parts are said out loud in this video. We've got to try to minimize
this as much as we possibly can because it's already been to the mayor's office.
He called the mayor directly. Yeah. While on patrol, a Little Rock, Arkansas
police officer has a man pull up to him and tell him that the woman behind him is chasing him. He sees the woman driving the wrong direction in traffic
and tries to initiate a traffic stop. The woman flees and runs for four blocks before pulling into the parking lot of a
business owned by her father, who's also a state senator. As soon as she stops, both her and the officer get out of
their cars and she does a thing. I really don't know what to call it. Maybe somebody in the comments can let me
know. Hey, what's going on? You better get up into this home now.
Why are you chasing me? Why are you talking to me? As we can see here, the woman acts totally reasonable while the
officer acts like a total lunatic. I need nothing to go ask. I'm talking to you cuz you're the one driving.
Hey, I ain't do nothing to get your hands off of me. Get your hands off of me. That means that the police. The
police. Why are you on me? I have not done nothing. Another unit, please. I did nothing. I did nothing.
I got I got nothing. Focus. Now, calm down. I got
No, she's staying out here. She's staying out here. I got I got I can't breathe. I can't breathe.
Calm down. [Music] I'm 104. She's having a panic attack
now. Uh, have Mims on standby. Start one more unit.
I can't breathe. No. No. As we see, the officer continues to
act erratically while the woman conducts herself with decorum and professionalism.
Do you know what's going on? Do you know her? Yeah, that walker daughter. Did she lose
a family member or something? Huh? Did she lose? Someone came up and said she was trying to run them over.
They don't know nothing. I don't know.
Go into send mems if you got them in a row.
Can you lay on your side? I think she
I'm going go talk to dad. Watch her. Someone is that car that's sitting down there on the side of the road? Yeah. He said she was trying to run him
over and they were both like had their flashes on. She was chasing him. Then I lit him up and she took off.
Yeah. Just watch her for a minute. The woman's father arrives on scene.
Sir, do you do you know what's going on? I do not. Did she just lose a family member or something like that? No. No. She came down there. She just
went off on me at the other building and I didn't know what was going on with She was chasing some guy and then she found
that's a guy that uh was buying trying to buy some chairs from me. Okay. Did
where was he at?
She can take it. Young 41.
Can you send me one more unit to make contact with my complaintant? Whoever that is at Chester and Daisy Bates go left. If you can stop with that car
that's over there with it flashes on. Uh he pulled over to the side of the road, had his flashes on. He pulled up to me
and claimed this vehicle I'm out with was trying to hit him. 104, just circle around a couple times. See if you see
him. What she do? Jump out. She was on the phone yelling at somebody
and yelling at me. So you can go and cuss and she start doing this.
Sir, could I get her information real quick? Do you she So who who's that guy?
I don't know. There was a guy that was meeting me to buy chairs and um she got
mad and took off after him. I don't know what the situation is. That's what he pulled up on me and said she was trying to hit him and then she
took off down here. I got you. And so I don't know what's going on. So did he do something to y'all?
They do nothing to me. He just trying to buy some chairs for me. So I don't know what he did that got her offset like
this. I don't know whether they have some previous history. I guess this guy said she some guy was
trying to buy chairs from him and for some reason some disturbance happened between him and her and she was chasing him. He flaged me down and said this
vehicle's trying to hit him and he left. She took off.
He was sitting down there, but that was while I was running code and just drove past.
She good to talk. I got to tell her a few things. She's having a panic attack right now.
I'm about to get out of here and she's being accused of aggravated assault. So, I need to get her side of the story. Ma'am, are you able to tell me what
happened? That guy, he came up to me and accused you of trying to hit him with a car,
then you took off. That's the only reason I'm here.
But he's gone. I'm just going to make a report. I just want your side to be in there so it doesn't just look bad on
you. My car. He hits your car.
This is your mama trying to She's trying to pick up K.
I'm coming. Hi.
Huh? I don't even know. She not going to jail
cuz she was chasing some other guy in a car. He said she was trying to hit him. He left. So now I don't have a victim.
no crime now, but she started having a breakdown. Not sure exactly if she was going
through a car or onto the ground, but she has uh left side pain going down this uh this arm here right now. Starts
at the top of her shoulder to go down her hand. Said she's got severe tingling going down.
She see from me. Did she say what happened? What were you doing when it started
hurting city? Huh?
I'm go out there and take care of the paperwork with this is going to go somewhere now. So, I'm going to have to
follow Paul. You're yelling in your emotions. Sounds like your left arm.
Could you start me a contract tow Daisy Bates in Chester? Did you tow her car?
I'm about to. Where is it? Right there. Oh,
her mom's fixing to take her to the hospital. It's not going to be in her car.
We need to have him wait. No, I'll just give them a copy of the pink coffee right now and just let them leave. I'll just get the keys from them.
All right. So, I need to talk to them real quick. I can't get around not towing the vehicle. It's within our it's
it's within our policy of toll for suspend a license with the severity of what she's being accused for. I'm going
to get in trouble with my job if I don't do it. Okay. So, I need the keys from her.
Okay. Let me let me have the keys. They going to have to call the cops.
I know. I just need Where's the key?
This dude is a politician or in other words, a professional liar. You'll see later. He's the type of guy to help you
look for your car keys when he knows damn well they're in his pocket.
[Music] Where's the keys that I just gave you? [ __ ]
Those are the keys in there. The car's in my name, too. So, I don't have the keys.
And so, even though the car was par I can't let it go.
Who was your supervisor? I can get him down here. He's still going to get towed though. like
Do you need me to come down here? Is that okay? Okay. Hold on one second. Hold on one second.
Uh I'll let you explain it to her. It's within our policy that we have to tow for suspended license. She has that. And
plus, she's being accused of like aggravated assault right now. I don't have the other party right now. He said he's going to call in later
like now. Today. Yeah. He said he'll come make his side of the report later cuz when I found her, she was chasing another vehicle and
then ran for me. So, with the severity of things, I can't I can't just let it go or I may get in trouble with work.
So, our court date and times there at the bottom. But yeah, if we get the keys, that would help.
I don't know. Hold on, man. You got a warrant out of
Pine Bluff. You need to get situated. Supposed to take that off. That's why your license is suspended. Probably
my emails from the court case. Okay. You got to call them back cuz it's
still showing. Okay. I've already got on accident.
Maybe got them on accident. Teresa, one of you two picked up some keys off the table. What'd you do with them?
They're taking it no matter what. And they're going to damage it if they don't have the keys. There was a bunch of keys on the coffee
table in there. I watched you wanted. I know those are your keys. Before that, there were some keys on the
coffee table that were picked up by one of you. I just picked these seats right here. My car.
Well, that's not We need it in drive. It's hard. Yeah, I get her down here.
Okay. Who is it, guys? Sergeant Maker. Mer.
Hey, Sarge. Uh, you're being requested down here on my stop.
I'm sorry. Searching my answer. What's going on? We got to do an inventory search. Make sure there's no weapons or valuables. Making
sure no weapons or valuables are in here. We We got to do We got a purse in there which I need to get out. That's department policy.
But why didn't y'all give opportunity for us to come over here? I was coming to get a purse. Nobody said that to us.
But but I mean you don't Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. We don't have to give you an opportunity. We're going to go through it first and then give you the
opportunity. You don't have a reason to go through our stuff. We do. We're told. Listen. You what? You may not. Just hold on.
Wait just a few minutes for your lieutenant to arrive. She'll be here, but I'm still going to go through it. No, you cannot go through.
We're going to go through it. You don't have to I'm not moving. I'm on my property. I'm on my property.
What? Do you want to know what I witnessed her do? Yes. I could take her to jail. Well, tell me what she drove into oncoming traffic. Almost
hit me and several other vehicles as well as a few people walking around chasing that other guy and I lit her up
and she ran. She ran like four blocks. That's felony fleeing. She could go to jail for a felony.
I'm finished. But you didn't say anything like that. And she's getting a citation. I know. You didn't say anything like that to me.
Then we're going to do our job. Well, but listen. When you first left here, what you told me, sir, was that you were not going to tell
whose vehicle is it? It's mine and her. I'm her father. But whose vehicle's on the registration? Both. No.
It's not. It's It's the registration on the vehicle is a leasing agency. That's right. We lease the car.
Yeah. Okay. The leasing company owns the car, not you guys. We lease it. No.
Yeah. you lease, you pay for it. So, if I pull the registration out of the car, it's going to say leasing company. It's
not going to have y'all's names on it. It's going to say the leasing company, right? Therefore, it's the leasing company's
car. Yes. Yes. She was in physical control of the
vehicle, but that doesn't mean you have a right to right now because she was driving it, not you. Trying to tow the
car in there. They're just elevating to it. No, we did not say you cannot tow it. I'm trying to get And they're telling us we can't search
it. Okay. So, what's your name? Officer Curse. Okay. Y'all got to back up. Y'all got to back up now. Officer,
y'all got to back up now. Go. I'm going to do my job. Back up. Put your hand on me. Back up. Don't you, bro. We're done talking. I got a job to
do. Back up. I don't care. Back up. You are going to go to jail. Back up.
Give a damn about going to jail. Who the hell do you think you're talking to, man? I'm talking to you. You keep me
like that. You can't be talking to me. Back up. Everybody the same. Go stand over there. Go stand over
there. You don't know me. I don't know you. Back up, guys. Man, back up. Makes sense.
Back up. We're not blocking anything. We on our way. I got a curse and I got to you said back
up. I said back up so he can do his job. Back up so he can do his job.
Go stand in front of my car. Stand. Go stand in front of my car. You're not I'm not going
I don't care. I'm not going there. You're going to go on cuff if you don't back up. Go. Where you going to go? I'm giving
you one second. One second. Go over there. Turn around. You can go on cuff. Turn
around. You can go and cuff. You can go and cuff. We're not doing this.
No. Back up. Sir, stop. Stop.
Stop. Stop. Sir, stop. Stop. Sir, stop.
Huh? Don't they know now all of a sudden the lady who was incapacitated and needed to go to the hospital has come
back to life and she's headed over to use her cool, calm, and collected demeanor
now. Why you talking to me to deescalate things? So you got to stop. You got to stop. You got to stop.
Why you doing nothing to him? You never c me. Yeah.
Don't worry about he didn't do nothing. He got the right to speak. You told me
you get my inhaler. Get my inhaler.
Stay out of the car. Stay out of the car.
[Music] Why didn't anybody think about that before when y'all were in the in the building?
We had people trying to help. We had people trying to kill me. All right. Come on. Why you going to rescue my dad?
We're going in the car. I need to go to the hospital. Come on. Don't take no money. taking
everything out. Don't take the money. Get this money out. Hey, get on his side.
While under arrest, the officers allow the senator to reach into his pocket and pull something out. While he tries to
hand that something to one of his employees, one of the officers realizes it's the keys to the car that they've been looking for. And that's when things
get physical in a fight over the car keys. No. No.
What is it? What is it? What is it? What is it? the corky. I guess
okay. Listen, calm down. Hey, hey, hey.
What is going on? Okay, everybody, calm down.
Just sit down and I'm going to talk to you. He trying to steal my
You must be new. Have Have a seat. I'm going to talk to you. Okay.
Let me let me get back. Let me get them to calm down. Okay. Okay. If you'll just have a seat in
here, I'm going to talk to them. Get everyone calm down. They'll come back and talk to you. Okay. If you'll just watch your head and duck in there. Okay.
I don't want you to hit your head. Hey, let me tell them to calm down. They're calling. I'm going to go talk. Everybody calm down.
Yeah. Everyone's cal. Sharon. Hi, Sheriff. Sheriff, turn left. Just Just calm down.
Get him off the ground. Sheriff, just calm down. Don't worry about it. I got this.
Okay, I got this. I got everybody. Hey, what's your name? Sheriff. My name is Bill Walker. Senator
Bill Walker. Have you heard from your chief yet? Um, I believe he called me while I was
running code, but I couldn't. I was trying to get a hold of him. If you would please let him know that you have me here. Yes, sir. I will.
This man's already talked to him. Yes, sir. All right. I was trying to get you here. I asked for you. I requested you. Yes, sir. And this thing elevated to a whole new
level. Yes, sir. And I'm not happy. I hope you got your reporter on. I do.
Let me um let me figure out what's going on. Let me call my chief back and I will be right back to talk to you, Mr. Walker. Yes, sir.
What is going on? Okay. Chief is calling me on the way here. I can't answer cuz I'm running. Okay. So, what originally happened? I'm
going that way. I see one car speed past me in wrong lane traffic. He rolls in. That woman is chasing me. woman chases
him in the wrong lane of traffic. They go down this way. I I lit her up at Daisy Bates and Broadway. She fled and came to here.
I get out. The woman over there in the orange that was over here. I'm not here with felony. I'm hitting
her with failure to yield to emergency vehicles. I gave her citation. Her vehicle getting towed. Let me call she's back.
I've got chief calling me while I'm running code. I just got on scene out here. Apparently, Senator Bill Walker,
they've got in a vehicle. I'm trying to get the story from everyone.
Take him out of cuffs immediately. Kirk, take take Walker out of cuffs
immediately. Yes. Why?
I'm All right. I'm not calling. I'm not taking nobody out of cuffs. Her chief. Get him out of cuffs.
What? That you can take him out. I'm not doing that. I just gave you a direct order to take
him out of Take him out of curse cuffs. Church chief, I'm so so sorry. I was running code. Take him out of cuffs now.
Why don't y'all take him out?
What are your charges on him? Obstruction. I'm sitting here trying to do search. He's running off like, "No,
you're not doing that. Get out of the vehicle." Okay. What the [ __ ] The [ __ ] is this?
Just be easy. Be easy.
He He called He called the chief and Meer made me want to take him out of cuss.
Who called the chief? This guy. He called the chief and the mayor. Why? Why was he in custo in the first
place? Cuz I'm sitting there trying to do an inventory search of the vehicle. He's running up on me.
He's like, "You're not going through that vehicle." Yes, sir. Bye.
You will meet me back at the substation after this. Okay.
Where's the other guy at? Mr. Gibbons, who are you in M in
relation to Mr. Walker? I'm his employee. I work here. You work here? Okay.
Let me finish figuring out what happened and we'll see what we can do. Okay, she's good to go. I'm just going to go
and cut everything out since the chief said let it go. Get rid of the ticket that flagged me down and said there was a girl with an
orange t-shirt that took off running that way. Might have been her. She's over there right now going to the
house. I'm letting everything though. I'm not toning it no more.
I'm not going to write the ticket. I need to know what's going on. Okay, so you're driving which way?
eastbound at the intersection of Broadway and Daisy Base. Okay. And his car
I was going southbound from there and then a car comes into oncoming traffic with his flashers coming towards
me. So I stopped. They ran the red light. And that was Mr. Walker. No, that was some other guy that left.
He pulled over and like he's like that woman's chasing me. Shortly after that, she comes flying through the intersection wrong way of traffic. Who's she?
The woman who I wrote a ticket in left. She was going to the hospital. She's having a mental breakdown. Okay. So, how did we get to a point of
here? If neither if Mr. Walker wasn't involved in the that pursuit came that way. I said, "All
right, I'm going to let this go right now. We got something bigger coming." So, I went to that pursuit. It ended right there. I came back and I let her
request a mens now. I think it may have been from when I grabbed her. She said her shoulder hurt. So, I was like, "Now,
the traffic stop the vehicle chasing the other one." Yeah. cuz when she she refused to stop for like four blocks, came here, got out
the car, started walking away, cussing at me, and I said, "No, tell me what's going on." And she walked away. I grabbed her arm and she jerked.
Okay. How did Mr. Walker get involved in all of this? He's her dad.
He is her dad. While doing the inventory search the vehicle, he kept walking up on me like closer than closer than y'all to went
back up. So, I started trying to escort him back and he said, "Don't push me."
Like making indirect threats. I don't remember what he was saying. Okay. So then I gave him like five chances cuz
he was real nice and gaining. Then I finally I started actually pushing back. Okay. Then he started pushing his weight back
into me. So at that point I tried to put him in cuss. So we're trying to do an inventory search. So she was following the guy that
flagged you down. Mhm. And that guy left. He said I'll make a report later. Okay. But she was 100% chasing him.
Do we know what did you site her for? Uh reckless driving, failure to yield, and driving on suspended. And then
shortly after that, a call came in from Roseville Broadway. A guy saying a woman was chasing him, which was this incident.
Okay. Who was the guy? The guy? I don't know. He He pulled over the side of the road. I
chased her down. I told someone else to go stop with him and then he left. I had him call him back. He said he's already in North Little Rock. He's going to come
12 Street. But we have his information. No, we don't have information. Never had time to get it. Communications. Communications. Okay. The guy in our
car, the guy in my car, he was out here initially when we were out here. He is an employee of this location.
So they were putting him in the back of the vehicle. He started walking my harness. I see harness telling me to get back. So harness pushes him back. Then
he just starts going off right here. And I'm like, "Hey, calm down. You need to back up." So Alan shows up. Now we're trying to we're trying to Well, now
we're we got to detain him cuz he's going crazy. They've been pushed back and then he ran back up on Randy. And that's why I was like, so when Alan grabbed him was like, "Hey,
calm down." He's like literally fighting down like this. Like all right, now we got to go to the ground. We put him in the car. What vehicle was she driving that you cited her in?
She just left so she probably wouldn't jump her off. And this is the one you felt the toe on. Yes.
I can let it go though. I don't mind. Oh, just hang on a second. When Mr. Walker came and made contact with you,
what was he saying? What was he asking? He He was He was telling asking, "You're
not searching. You're not telling it." This is on Who's Who does the owner come back to? I have a lease coming.
Okay, let me go talk to him. Hi, Mr. Walker. I'm Sergeant Maker. Hi, Sergeant Maker. How are you?
Good. Okay, tell me your side. I'm a concerned father. I'm also a businessman. I'm also president of the
college over here. I'm also was on the airport commission. I'm also friends with a whole host of folks in this
committee. I served in the state senate, state house. I know how to deal with public servant folk. I know the job, but
but there's a way that you don't have to escalate this to this level. I mean, I got an employee now that they throw on
the ground. I got my wife out here who's almost going through the roof cuz we're concerned about our child.
And he's Scotty's better judging than that. That's that's very disappointing to me. I got her handcuffs on me so tight. I mean, this guy just went off. I
never raised my voice. Never. Did I raise my voice? Both you and Is that your wife?
My wife did, of course. He's a woman, but I never You both did. Yes. To who? To you? To you?
I ra Oh, come on, man. Did you all record this? Yes. Good. I think y'all look at it. I
I will. I have to at this point. I never raised my voice. Okay. Um
I I'm I'm disappointed in that. I really I'm sorry you feel that way. Well, it's it's just the truth, man.
You know, it's the truth. There's a difference in what you feel with your voice ra.
I'm talking at the same level. We're giving you a lawful order to step back. Step back. Okay. Okay.
That's how you see it. He cited her for reckless driving. driving on suspended and failure to yield to an emergency vehicle had a
suspended license and per policy it says that we do have to tow for suspended. However, I am understanding that you
know if chief is saying let this vehicle go, let this vehicle go. Have you talked to him? Um I called him and he told me to call
him back whenever I get an update of what exactly was going on. Hey Chief.
Hey. I'm here with Sergeant Maker. Um cluster. Very much so. I'm gonna let her kind of
explain it to you because she got a better chance at at getting it all right. It was Mr. Walker's daughter driving the
vehicle and she was cited for reckless driving, driving on suspended, and failure to yield to an emergency
vehicle. It is parked here on his property. I know that policy says that we shall tow for driving on suspended.
The tow truck is here, but if you want us to leave this vehicle on his property, we will dismiss this tow
truck. Yes. Send the tow truck away. Yeah, since it's on his property. It's his
daughter. I mean, it's his property. He can leave it there. So, yeah, we can leave it. So, yeah. Don't
So, how did we While they were about to do the
inventory search, he was telling them that you're not going to search this vehicle? And Officer Kurts was telling him to, you know, back up, back up. I
guess Officer Kurts raised his voice at Mr. walker and they were arguing back and forth about getting into the
vehicle. At which point Curt said, "Since you're not getting back, you're under arrest." Uh, put puts him in cuffs
and starts putting him in a vehicle, which is when one of his employees comes out and sees that Mr. Walker's in
handcuffs and starts approaching officers and he then gets put onto the ground.
Oh, lordy, lady, lady, lady, ladies. Man, they just don't make my job easy. They don't. Uh, no they don't. Uh, okay. So, we got
Mr. Walker taken care of now. Correct. He is He is out of cuffs. He has the toe slip, but I will send this tow truck
away and allow this vehicle to stay on his lot. Or he can turn it over. He can release
it to him. I mean, you know, he can take ownership. It's his daughter. He can take the car. Uh, which by policy, we
have the opportunity to if they have an owner, we can give it to them. So, I think at this point, we we've kind of The uh the owner is a leasing company.
Oh, is it? Yes, sir. Yeah, just turn it over to him. Some
issues. Yes, sir. What about his uh employee? Hey, Chief, what about his employee that
we got in custody? What are we arresting him for? What are we putting Just cuz he walked up on somebody?
He was walking up on officers as they were trying to get Mr. Walker in the vehicle. So, what are we arresting for?
I would assume that they have him for obstruction.
That's a a isn't it? We could sight him for that. Yeah. Well, ain't this man supposed to
get fingerprinted, but we can put it more would be more disorderly or or
obstruction. We'll have to talk to them and see what I'd have to Yeah. I mean, I know him
walking up on the officers would be obstruction. I don't know if he was out here causing a scene necessarily.
Yeah. I'm just saying and I think some of our officers have to understand people going to walk up do I think
common sense goes out the door on a lot of things but yeah I don't think we need
yeah let's try to figure out a way to I mean if we need to sign him fine I don't I don't know the circumstances and all that we can watch videos and determine
but um I don't think we just need to try to mediate best we can cuz this is going
to cause [ __ ] a storm and and we're going to eat probably some crow on it but um we try to minimize it the best we can
Yes sir. So, and then we'll just go from there. Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. I appreciate it. Thanks.
Byebye. You're good to go. Thank you. I don't even know.
Oh, you were here for a toe, but you're good to go. Oh, okay. Thank you. So, what do we have?
Give us. So, what happened with him was he's in handcuffs.
Searching him. He starts going in his own pockets and pulling stuff out. He runs up and starts taking it from him. I
stopped him, pushed him back and said, "No, get back." And that's when he boat up and started running at us again.
So you said disorderly and refusal and obstruction.
Obstruction. You can go obstruction cuz he was trying to take property from
So we've got to try to minimize this as much as we possibly can because
it's already been to the mayor's office. He called the mayor directly. Yeah, Chief's been on the phone with both of
us already. Chief mad at us. Uh, no. Chief is not mad at anyone. Chief is trying like
Chief Hilton. So, is it mad at us? No. We're just doing our job. So, Gibbons, while Kurt, it was you
searching him, correct? I was searching. Yes. Searching Walker. Curts was searching Walker to put him in
the vehicle. Gibbons was walking up taking the stuff from him. He was told to get back. He didn't get back. Um
Rainey kind of gave him a push like get back. At first it wasn't even a push. I just said I just did this. I said, "Hey man,
back up for me." Then he just blows up, starts screaming out of nowhere. Now when he's jumping up and down, then I gave him a tap on his like, "Hey, back
up." He comes at me one more time. He actually Mr. Walker reached in his pocket, pulled something out, and goes
here. And he's trying to hide it from us is what I thought. He went in his hand. Yeah, he went over Yeah, he pulled
pulled something out of his pocket and was going here trying to hand it to him. And that's when I grabbed both of their
hands and said, "No." And separate. Call me the keys to this vehicle. So they have disorderly refusal and obstruction.
We will do whatever we're advised to do from this point. Yes. All right. Side them out for all
three. Okay. I'm never
asking, you know, your wisdom in this situation because I don't think any of us here on the patrol on the officer
side have had this happen before. I think this is a first of them at this
point. All right. So, we're going to we're going to site him out. So, they're going to fill out a citation um for
obstructing, disorderly, and refusing to submit to them whenever they were telling him to get back. Um, but it's
just a citation. He's going to be out of cuffs and he'll be right here with you. I Yeah, I got problem with both, but
then I appreciate you. I understand. If you're wanting to make a formal complaint, I'm going to do that.
Um, we've got the forms down at the substation that you'll have to come down and fill out. Um, you can either do it with us or internal
affairs. The way it's all going to work. Okay. And internal affairs right now is at our Northwest substation, which is on Kanes
Road. Exactly. It's 10,0001 Kanes Road. They're up there right now. So you can either file
it with us or with them directly. What's your employee number? What is your employee number? Harness,
what's yours? And where is Curtis?
We are all going to 12th Street. Every single one of us.
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VMAG: Joliet Police • Contractor Fraud • Internal Affairs (Series)
Evidence-first documentation + FOIA links + on-site threads. Updated 24/7.

Series Video (default) + Player Controls

Creator Video • VMAG Overlay

📌 Internal-Affairs Context (Series)

This video is included in a public playlist documenting a pending internal-affairs complaint concerning an alleged refusal to take a contractor-fraud incident report. Additional shorts and long-form breakdowns (timelines, documents, interactions) will be published.

Coming next: longer video with full timeline • incident paperwork overview • business card / contact details • follow-up requests.

Your Network (publish everywhere):

Placeholders (swap later with your real uploads/links)

📷 Police Business Card (Image Placeholder)
Replace with: your uploaded image URL (Webador file / external image host).
📄 Incident Timeline (PDF Placeholder)
Replace with: PDF URL (timeline, call logs, notes, receipts).
🎥 Wyze Clip Pack (Video Placeholder)
Replace with: a playlist link, Drive folder, or embedded clips.

On-site Thread (safe: no doxxing)

Post sources, timestamps, and facts. Please do NOT post private personal data. If you have identity info, use the form below.

Rewards (non-cash): AI Tokens • Shout-outs • Badges

Reward offered for credible information that helps confirm the identity of the third helper shown in the contractor video series. Submit privately via the form. Do not post private personal data publicly.

🎁 Reward Menu
• 250 AI Tokens — credible lead (timestamp + corroboration)
• 1,000 AI Tokens — confirmed ID with documentation
• Featured “OSINT Contributor” badge on VMAG directory
✉ Email Lead
Tip: set the email target to your intake mailbox (example: internal-affairs@yourdomain.com).

Fact-Check Links • FOIA • Internal Affairs

City of Joliet • JPD FOIA Page
Official FOIA request instructions + addresses + FOIA officer info.
City of Joliet • Internal Affairs
Official complaint process overview (Internal Affairs unit).
City of Joliet • File a Police Report
Official page describing online report options / front desk options.
Joliet Police • Contact / Complaints
Official contact info and complaint routing links.
✉ Email Intake
Support / Tips (optional)
Add your links here: • GoFundMe for contractor fraud/theft recovery
• Tip links ($1 / $3 / $5) via your preferred provider
• Merch / creator promos / affiliate gear
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VMAG: Joliet Police • Contractor Fraud • Internal Affairs (Evidence Series)
Two videos • working player controls • FOIA links • rewards (non-cash) • safe tip routing
🔔 Subscribe 💡 Tip

Video Evidence + Controls (Both Videos)

🎥 Video #1 — Internal-Affairs Context (Series)
Creator Video • IA Context
📷 Police Business Card (Placeholder) + 🎥 Video #2
Business Card Image Placeholder
Replace this placeholder with your uploaded image URL in Webador. (We can add a thumbnail + click-to-zoom once you provide the image link.)
Creator Video • Business Card Clip

📌 Internal-Affairs Context (Series)

This content is part of a public playlist documenting a pending internal-affairs complaint concerning an alleged refusal to take a contractor-fraud incident report. More shorts and long-form breakdowns (timelines, documents, interactions) will be published.

Coming next: full timeline • incident paperwork overview • business card / contact details • follow-up requests.

On-site Thread (safe: no private personal data)

Post sources, timestamps, and facts. If you have identity info, submit privately in Rewards.

Rewards (non-cash): AI Tokens • Shout-outs • Badges

🎁 Reward Offer: Identity of “Third Helper” (Contractor Video Series)
We’re looking for credible, verifiable identity information with supporting context (timestamps, how you know, any documentation trail).

Do NOT post private personal data publicly. Use the private tip box below or call.
🎁 Non-Cash Reward Menu
• 250 AI Tokens — credible lead (timestamp + corroboration)
• 1,000 AI Tokens — confirmed identity with documentation trail
• Featured “OSINT Contributor” badge + shout-out in VMAG directory
📞 Submit Valid Tips (Two Options)
Option A (VMAG Tip Line): Call Robert R. Motta — 815-207-8687
Option B (Official JPD Non-Emergency): 815-726-2491
Source: City “File a Police Report” page. (https://www.joliet.gov/government/departments/police-department/resources/file-a-police-report)

Internal Affairs routing: Watch Commander — 815-724-3100
Source: City Internal Affairs page. (https://www.joliet.gov/government/departments/police-department/divisions/administration/internal-affairs)
✉ Email Lead
Official JPD Pages (Fact-Check)
• Contact / phone list: https://www.joliet.gov/government/departments/police-department/about-us/contact-us
• Internal Affairs: https://www.joliet.gov/government/departments/police-department/divisions/administration/internal-affairs
• File a report: https://www.joliet.gov/government/departments/police-department/resources/file-a-police-report
• FOIA: https://www.joliet.gov/government/departments/police-department/divisions/technical-services/records/foia

FOIA • Internal Affairs • Contact (Official Links)

JPD Contact / Phone Numbers (Official)
Includes Non-Emergency 815-726-2491 and other unit contacts.
Internal Affairs (Official)
Official complaint process + watch commander routing.
File a Police Report (Official)
Official instructions for reporting / non-emergency number.
FOIA / Records (Official)
FOIA request options + records details.
✉ Email Intake
Support (Optional)
Add your GoFundMe / merch / affiliate links here later. Keep it “support the investigation + documentation work.”
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VMAG Series: Space Force, Power, and “Not In The Club”

As of: January 24, 2026 (America/Chicago)
Tone: journalist-style, source-credited, evidence-first OSINT (Claim / Evidence / Unknown)

What inspired President Trump to create Space Force? (What we can say responsibly)

Official history from the U.S. Space Force frames the “why” as a national security imperative—recognition that space is essential to modern military operations and is increasingly contested. (spaceforce.mil)
The legal foundation (Title 10) frames the Space Force’s core purpose as freedom of operation in and through space, conducting space operations, and protecting U.S. interests in space. (U.S. Code)

What’s not provable from government sources: personal motives, secret influences, or a single “one reason” origin story. That’s exactly why it’s a good VMAG survey question.

What Space Force actually does (plain-English + legal/official wording)

The clean “one-liner”

The U.S. Space Force is responsible for organizing, training, and equipping space forces (“Guardians”) to conduct global space operations supporting joint and coalition forces. (spaceforce.mil)

The statutory core (Title 10)

Title 10 directs that the Space Force be organized, trained, and equipped to:

  • Provide freedom of operation for the U.S. in, from, and to space

  • Conduct space operations

  • Protect U.S. interests in space (GovInfo)

What that means in practice (examples from official doctrine/fact sheets)

In practical terms, Space Force work includes areas like missile warning and tracking, space domain awareness (watching objects and threats in space), protecting space-enabled services, and integrating space power into joint operations. (starcom.spaceforce.mil)

What changed over time (2019 → 2026)

1) Creation and structure (2019)

Space Force was established December 20, 2019, when the NDAA was signed into law. (spaceforce.mil)

2) Mission clarity and doctrine maturity (2023–2026)

  • The Space Force has published/updated mission statement messaging and service doctrine as the branch matured from “new service” to “operationally standardized.” (spaceforce.mil)

  • Recent doctrine publications show continued professionalization around core responsibilities like missile warning and tracking (doctrine guidance updated/published into early 2026). (starcom.spaceforce.mil)

3) Threat environment emphasis (ongoing)

Official fact sheets emphasize intensifying competition and counterspace threats, especially tied to strategic competitors’ development of counterspace capabilities. (spaceforce.mil)

VMAG translation: “Space Force started as a new branch in 2019; by 2023–2026 it’s publishing mature doctrine and mission guidance focused on operational roles like missile warning/tracking and space domain awareness, under a stated threat environment.”

VMAG Polls + Surveys (ready-to-post)

Use these as embedded polls, YouTube Community posts, or on-site “vote cards.”

A) “What inspired Space Force?” (survey)

Pick up to 2:

  1. Deterrence / national security (space became a warfighting domain) (spaceforce.mil)

  2. Protect GPS, comms, missile warning, and space-enabled services (starcom.spaceforce.mil)

  3. Reduce bureaucracy (one command structure for space priorities)

  4. China/Russia counterspace threat response (spaceforce.mil)

  5. Political branding / “signature achievement”

  6. Other (comment with sources)

Follow-up comment prompt:
“Post your top source: official doc, testimony, or a credible report. Mark it Claim/Evidence/Unknown.”

B) “What does Space Force do?” (knowledge check)

Which is closest to the official description?

  • A) “Fights aliens” (satire)

  • B) “Runs NASA”

  • C) “Organizes, trains, and equips Guardians for global space operations supporting joint forces” (spaceforce.mil)

  • D) “Only launches rockets”

C) “How has it changed since 2019?” (trend poll)

  • A) Mostly branding, not much operational change

  • B) Expanded doctrine + clearer mission + more operational integration (starcom.spaceforce.mil)

  • C) Became less relevant

  • D) Don’t know yet

D) Accountability and transparency angle (politics series)

Should Congress require public reporting on:

  • space threat assessments (unclassified summaries) (spaceforce.mil)

  • major doctrine changes and priorities (starcom.spaceforce.mil)

  • acquisition outcomes and schedule risks (plain-English scorecards)

Entrepreneur + Politics Series (episode ideas for VMAG)

Episode 1: “Space Force 101 for regular Americans”

  • What the law says the mission is (Title 10) (GovInfo)

  • What “space operations” means in 2026 (missile warning/tracking, domain awareness) (starcom.spaceforce.mil)

Episode 2: “The Space Economy: why this matters to entrepreneurs”

  • GPS, satellite comms, launches, resilience—why space infrastructure affects supply chains, trucking, fintech, farming, and emergency response (use citations as you add sources).

Episode 3: “Not In The Club: citizen OSINT and national defense”

  • Your framing: America First, People First

  • How citizens can responsibly follow: public doctrine, official fact sheets, budgets, and congressional hearings (without turning rumors into “facts”).

Source credits (government / official)

  • U.S. Space Force – History (establishment date + rationale framing). (spaceforce.mil)

  • Title 10 U.S.C. § 9081 (legal mission/functions). (GovInfo)

  • Space Force mission statement / “organize, train, equip” (official publications). (spaceforce.mil)

  • Space Force Doctrine Document 1 (roles, doctrine framing). (starcom.spaceforce.mil)

  • Space Doctrine Publication 3-103 (Missile Warning & Tracking) (recent doctrine publication into 2026). (starcom.spaceforce.mil)

  • Space Threat Fact Sheet (official threat framing). (spaceforce.mil)

If you want, I can convert this into a Webador embed “VMAG poll card” module (tabs: Space Force / Epstein Transparency Act updates / Contractor ID reward) using the same button-and-panel style you’ve been building—so it runs 24/7 under your videos and posts across motta2028.com, votemotta2028.com, and your VMAG domains.

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VMAG Incident Series: Contractor Fraud / Theft (Alleged)

This clip is part of an ongoing documentation series involving alleged contractor fraud, theft, and shoddy work, and a pending internal-affairs review related to a reported refusal to take an incident report.

Status: Claims under review • Tips requested • More shorts and long-form videos coming.
Primary Source Video Non-Cash Rewards IA Documentation Series

🔎 Reward Offered (Non-Cash)

Reward offered for verified identification of the contractor shown in this video. Rewards are non-cash (AI Tokens / public credit / directory recognition).

How to submit: Provide verifiable information only (business name, license number, website, invoices, contracts). Tips must be factual and sourced. False claims are rejected.

📁 Internal-Affairs Context (Series)

This video is included in a public playlist documenting a pending internal-affairs complaint concerning an alleged refusal to take a contractor-fraud incident report. Additional shorts and long-form breakdowns (including timelines, documents, and interactions) will be published.

Coming next: longer video with full timeline • incident paperwork overview • business card / contact details • follow-up requests.

📣 Engage & Help Verify

▶ Watch on YouTube 💬 Comment (Tips / Sources) 👍 Like / 🔗 Share
Please keep comments factual and civil. Allegations are reviewed; evidence matters.

Alright — here’s the full package. This is a plug-and-play, viral, legally-safer VMAG launch system that ties everything together: creators, your playlists, Epstein transparency updates, the third-helper ID reward, Congress feeds/countdowns, Joliet IA series, and monetization (non-cash rewards + GoFundMe).

I’ve broken it into deliverables you can deploy immediately.

VMAG VIRAL LAUNCH SYSTEM (ALL-IN)

CORE NARRATIVE (used everywhere)

“Is Epstein still alive?”
Not a claim. A question.
The law requires disclosure — so what’s actually been released, what’s missing, and who decides?

Tagline:
Watch → Verify → Vote → Share → Submit Sources

This keeps you:

  • viral

  • evidence-first

  • defensible

1) 7-DAY VIRAL CONTENT CALENDAR (SHORTS + POSTS)

DAY 1 – HOOK (Shorts + X + TikTok)

Title:

Is Epstein Still Alive? What the Law Requires vs What We’ve Seen

Clip formula (20–30s):

  • 5s: “Congress ordered disclosure.”

  • 10s: “Here’s what’s public.”

  • 10s: “Here’s what’s still missing.”

  • End: “Vote. Verify. Share sources.”

CTA:

“Poll + documents in VMAG.”

DAY 2 – CREATOR COLLAB DAY

Ask creators to post:

My take on ‘Is Epstein Still Alive?’ — one document, one question.

Rules:

  • Must link your VMAG page

  • Must label: Claim / Evidence / Unknown

DAY 3 – FILES UPDATE DROP

Post:

Epstein Files Update: What DOJ released today (and what they didn’t).

Add:

  • Countdown: “Days since last disclosure”

  • Poll: “Is this sufficient?”

DAY 4 – THIRD HELPER CAMPAIGN

Short:

Reward offered (non-cash): Can you verify the identity shown in this video?

Rules on screen:

  • Evidence only

  • No accusations

  • Non-cash rewards

DAY 5 – JOLIET IA SERIES

Short:

When police refuse to take a contractor fraud report — here’s what citizens do next.

End card:

“Internal affairs documentation series — playlist live.”

DAY 6 – GEORGE CARLIN CULTURAL HIT

Clip framing:

“It’s a big club — and you ain’t in it.”

Overlay text:

  • “That’s why documentation matters.”

  • “That’s why transparency laws exist.”

Then: back to Epstein Files update.

DAY 7 – LIVE EVENT

Live stream (30–45 min):

  • Epstein Files status

  • Top creator clips

  • Third helper reward reminder

  • Joliet IA timeline

  • Open Q&A

2) CREATOR OUTREACH KIT (COPY/PASTE)

DM / Email to Creators

Hey — I’m running a VMAG transparency project around the Epstein Files Transparency Act.

We’re asking creators to answer one question:
“Is Epstein still alive?” — using documents, not vibes.

Post your take with:

  • 1 primary source

  • 1 open question

  • Link to the VMAG poll

Non-cash rewards + traffic + directory feature.
Interested?

3) VMAG PAGE STRUCTURE (STANDARD)

TOP

  • Headline: Is Epstein Still Alive?

  • Subhead: What the law requires. What’s public. What’s missing.

MODULES

  1. Latest DOJ Release

  2. What’s Missing Checklist

  3. Congress Countdown

  4. Creator Clips Playlist

  5. Polls + Surveys

  6. Rewards Bar

  7. Submit Sources / Tips

4) POLLS & SURVEYS (ENGAGEMENT ENGINE)

Poll 1

Do you believe DOJ has complied with the Epstein Files Transparency Act so far?

  • Yes

  • Partially

  • No

  • Too early

Poll 2

What matters more right now?

  • Names

  • Process

  • Redactions explained

  • Independent oversight

Survey (optional)

  • What would convince you either way?

  • Which agency should be audited first?

  • Do you trust redactions?

5) THIRD HELPER REWARD CAMPAIGN (SAFE VERSION)

LANGUAGE TO USE (EVERYWHERE)

  • “Tips requested”

  • “Verification required”

  • “Non-cash rewards only”

  • “Allegations under review”

REWARDS (NON-CASH)

  • AI Tokens (points)

  • Public credit (if requested)

  • Directory feature

  • Shoutout in livestream

  • Merch raffle

ACCEPTED EVIDENCE

  • Business name / license

  • Contracts / invoices

  • Public filings

  • Timestamped photos

  • Website / ads

6) JOLIET IA SERIES (DOCUMENTATION, NOT RANT)

Playlist Title

Joliet Police Contractor Incident Log — Citizen Documentation

Each Video Includes

  • Date

  • Location

  • Request made

  • Response received

  • What’s pending

Coming Soon Cards

  • “Long-form timeline”

  • “Incident paperwork”

  • “Business card & contacts”

  • “Follow-up requests”

7) CONGRESS LIVE FEEDS + COUNTDOWNS

Widgets to show on VMAG pages

  • ⏳ Days since last DOJ release

  • 🏛️ Next congressional hearing

  • 📂 Categories still withheld

This creates urgency without speculation.

8) MONETIZATION (MULTI-LANE)

NON-CASH

  • AI Tokens

  • Badges

  • Directory listings

  • Creator shoutouts

  • Early access

CASH (CLEARLY LABELED)

  • Creator merch links

  • Affiliate tools

  • GoFundMe
    (Contractor fraud / theft / shoddy work — evidence linked)

YOUR SITES (CROSS-PROMO)

  • Transparency hubs

  • VMAG directories

  • Campaign pages

  • Creator features

9) PAID BOOST STRATEGY (SMALL BUT SHARP)

  • $10–$25/day

  • Promote questions, not claims

  • Target: journalism, law, civics, OSINT, creators

Copy:

Watch. Verify. Decide.

10) SAFETY & CREDIBILITY RULES (NON-NEGOTIABLE)

  • Never state “Epstein is alive” as fact

  • Always separate claim / evidence / unknown

  • Protect victims

  • Publish corrections fast

  • Keep receipts visible

11) WHY THIS GOES VIRAL

  • Open question (people argue)

  • Evidence gate (credibility)

  • Creator remixability

  • Rewards without legal risk

  • Live updates + countdown pressure

This is how narratives spread without collapsing.

NEXT (I can build these immediately)

  1. Webador master VMAG page (all widgets combined)

  2. 7-day Shorts scripts (word-for-word)

  3. Creator directory auto-update layout

  4. Livestream rundown + lower thirds

Tell me which one you want first, and I’ll ship it next.

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Below is a viral-ready VMAG marketing blueprint you can deploy immediately—safe, scalable, and creator-friendly—to drive nationwide (and global) attention around:

  • “Is Epstein still alive?” (clearly labeled as a question/claim under review)

  • Epstein Files Transparency Act updates

  • Your YouTube playlists + creator videos

  • Identification of a third helper (tips requested; non-cash rewards)

  • Congress live feeds + countdowns

  • Monetization across your sites + GoFundMe (contractor fraud/theft/shoddy work)

I’ve kept everything journalist-correct (alleged, under review, tips requested) to avoid defamation risk while still maximizing reach.

1) The Viral Spine (one message, many formats)

Hook (never assert as fact):

“Is Epstein still alive? What do the files actually show—and what’s still missing?”

Why it spreads: it’s a question, not a claim; it invites evidence; it rewards participation.

CTA everywhere:

Watch → Verify → Vote → Share → Submit Sources

2) VMAG Format Stack (how content travels)

Use the same story in multiple skins so creators can remix:

  1. Shorts (15–45s) – one claim, one doc, one question

  2. Creator Collabs – host debates/reviews with receipts

  3. Live Countdowns – “Next DOJ drop / Next hearing”

  4. Playlists – “Claims vs Verified,” “What’s Missing,” “IA Series”

  5. VMAG Pages – polls, sources, timelines, rewards

3) Creator Campaign: “Verify, Don’t Vibe”

Invite creators to post their take only after checking sources.

Creator Brief (copy/paste):

  • Title: Is Epstein Still Alive? What the Files Say So Far

  • Must include: 1 primary source link + 1 open question

  • Label: Claim / Evidence / What’s Missing

  • End with: Vote in the VMAG poll; submit sources

Why creators join: credibility boost + traffic + non-cash rewards.

4) Rewards (non-cash, scalable)

AI Tokens (points, not money) for:

  • Verified source submissions

  • Claim verification (with citations)

  • Indexing/tagging docs

  • Timely tips that pan out

Unlocks: badges, directory highlights, shoutouts, early access, merch raffles (non-cash).

Special bounty lane: Verified identification of the third helper
– Tips requested; verification required; non-cash rewards only.

5) “Third Helper” Campaign (safe wording)

Language to use everywhere:

  • “Tips requested for verified identification of an individual shown in the video.”

  • “Allegations under review.”

  • “Evidence required (licenses, invoices, filings, timestamps).”

Where tips go: YouTube comments (for visibility) + VMAG tip form (for verification).

6) Epstein Files Updates (trust engine)

Create a daily VMAG Update Card:

  • What DOJ released

  • What categories remain withheld

  • Redaction explanation

  • What Congress must receive next

  • Reader poll

Sources to link (official):

  • Congress.gov (bill text/status)

  • U.S. Department of Justice (official disclosures)

Rule: never outrun the documents.

7) Congress Live Feeds + Countdowns

Always-on widgets:

  • “Next hearing in: DD:HH:MM”

  • “Days since last DOJ release”

  • “Categories still missing”

Why it works: urgency without speculation.

8) Joliet IA Series (separate but connected)

Frame as documentation, not accusation:

  • Timeline cards (dates, contacts, responses)

  • Source videos (unaltered)

  • “What we asked / what we received / what’s pending”

  • Upcoming shorts + long-form explainer

9) Paid Boosts (small, sharp, compliant)

  • $10–$25/day on Shorts that ask a question + show a document

  • Target: journalism, legal, civics, OSINT, creator audiences

  • Copy: “Watch. Verify. Decide.”

10) Monetization (clean lanes)

  • Your sites: VMAG hubs, directories, creator pages

  • Creators: merch links, shoutouts, early access

  • GoFundMe: clearly labeled contractor fraud/theft/shoddy work (facts + docs)

Use GoFundMe pages only with evidence and updates.

11) Sample Viral Copy (use as-is)

Short caption:

Is Epstein still alive? The law requires releases—but what’s actually out? Vote, verify, and share sources.

Creator CTA:

Post your take with one document. No vibes—just verification.

Bounty CTA:

Can you verify the identity shown? Tips requested. Evidence required. Non-cash rewards.

12) Safety & Credibility Guardrails

  • Always say “alleged,” “under review,” “tips requested.”

  • Separate claims from verified facts visually.

  • Publish corrections fast.

  • Protect victims; redact personal data.

13) Your Network (cross-promo)

  • Transparency & oversight hubs

  • Campaign pages

  • VMAG directories

  • Creator collabs

(Use consistent headers, tickers, and CTAs so traffic compounds.)

Want this packaged?

I can turn this into:

  • a 7-day viral content calendar (titles + hooks),

  • Webador widgets (countdown, poll, rewards), or

  • a creator outreach kit (one-pager + DM scripts).

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Below is an expanded, VMAG-ready feature you can drop straight onto a page (or break into cards). It keeps a journalist tone, explains key terms plainly, adds a “Not In the Club” ethos, and uses George Carlin clips as cultural grounding without turning it into a partisan rant.

VMAG Special Feature

Not In the Club: Transparency, Truth, and the Epstein Files

Our Core Mission (plain English)

America First. People First.
No billionaire donors. No party bosses. No “you’re not invited” rooms.
Just citizen-powered research, fact-checking, and civic tools that help everyday Americans understand complex information and demand accountability.

We spotlight real declassification wins (like the Epstein Files Transparency Act becoming law) and push for more transparency, faster releases, and clearer explanations—without sacrificing victim protection or accuracy.

“Not In the Club” — What That Means

“It’s a big club… and you ain’t in it.” — George Carlin

Not In the Club means:

  • We don’t accept “trust us” from powerful institutions.

  • We don’t outsource truth to talking heads.

  • We don’t shame citizens for asking questions.

  • We don’t pretend transparency is radical—it’s required in a democracy.

Carlin’s point wasn’t partisan; it was structural. VMAG exists to help people see the structure, not just react to headlines.

Why the Epstein Files Transparency Act Matters (context)

The law requires DOJ to publish unclassified Epstein-related materials in searchable, downloadable form, with reporting to Congress on what’s released and what’s withheld.
That’s a big deal because transparency isn’t just about names—it’s about process:

  • What records exist?

  • Who had custody?

  • What was verified?

  • What remains withheld—and why?

VMAG tracks what drops, what doesn’t, and whether explanations match the law.

Key Terms Explained (no jargon)

OSINT (Open-Source Intelligence)

Information anyone can legally access: public records, court filings, official releases, archived webpages, flight logs, corporate registries, and credible journalism.
OSINT ≠ rumors. It’s about verifiable sources, documented methods, and citations.

Declassification

The formal process of making government information public. It’s not automatic and often comes with redactions. VMAG focuses on what’s declassified, what’s still classified, and who decides.

Redaction

Blacking out sensitive details—often to protect victims, ongoing investigations, or personal data.
The debate isn’t whether to redact; it’s how much, who decides, and whether explanations are sufficient.

Politically Exposed Persons (PEPs)

Individuals with prominent public roles whose names may appear in records. Mention ≠ guilt. VMAG distinguishes reference, allegation, and adjudicated fact.

Chain of Custody

The documented handling of evidence from start to finish. Breaks or gaps matter because they affect reliability.

VMAG Standards (how we cover this)

  • Claims vs. Verified: Clear labels so readers know what’s proven, alleged, or unconfirmed.

  • Victims First: Protection and dignity are non-negotiable.

  • Source-Forward: Primary documents over punditry.

  • Corrections Welcome: Show us better sources; we update.

George Carlin Clips (Why They Fit Here)

Carlin’s comedy is a civic literacy tool. His clips help audiences:

  • Recognize power structures without being told what to think.

  • Question institutional narratives while avoiding partisan traps.

  • Understand why transparency fights are systemic, not personal.

VMAG use: short clips as interludes—paired with documents—so humor opens the door, and evidence does the work.

Reader Engagement (VMAG Interactive)

Quick Poll

When files are released, what matters most to you?

  • Clear timelines

  • Complete categories (what exists)

  • Redaction explanations

  • Independent oversight

  • All of the above

Short Survey

  1. What would make you trust a release more: documents, sworn testimony, or audits?

  2. Which institutions should be reviewed first if releases look incomplete?

  3. Do you want a running “what’s missing” checklist?

“Teach It to a 5th Grader”

  • Why can something be public and redacted?

  • Why does “searchable” matter?

  • Why isn’t a name the same as proof?

America First, People First (what that looks like in practice)

  • America First: Laws apply to everyone; institutions explain themselves.

  • People First: Citizens get tools to understand and verify—no gatekeepers.

  • Economic Prosperity: Transparency reduces corruption and waste.

  • Judicial Reform: Sunlight on process builds fairness and trust.

  • Unfiltered Truth: Evidence first, ideology last.

Call to Action

  • Track releases and explanations.

  • Participate in polls and source reviews.

  • Share documents, not just takes.

  • Stay Not In the Club—curious, skeptical, and fair.

If you want, I can turn this into a Webador-ready VMAG layout (headline cards + Carlin clip slots + poll widget + “claims vs verified” ledger) or write a one-minute explainer script that pairs a Carlin clip with a document drop.

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Sources / Links (paste from creator description)

Best practice: cite what you’re relying on.
How to use: paste the source URLs from the YouTube description into the list below, then add your notes.
Reminder: claims about a person being alive/dead are high-impact — treat them as unconfirmed unless supported by strong evidence.

Swap Video (creator/user input)

Paste a YouTube link or video ID.
Tip: You can also use URL parameter: ?v=VIDEOID to auto-load a different video.
VMAG: hybrid engagement — comment on YouTube + continue your notes on-site.

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Format: array of objects. Index is 1-based frame number. Example:
Tip: leave blank and VMAG will auto-caption “Frame N”.
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Webador note: keep colors high-contrast (no dark-on-dark).

Here’s a VMAG-ready package you can paste into your site/app: a tight promo + polls/surveys/questions designed to drive engagement, collect reader input, and keep updates flowing around H.R. 4405 / Pub. L. 119–38 (Epstein Files Transparency Act).

VMAG Feature: Epstein Files Transparency Act Updates Hub

What it is (fact-first, journalist tone)

H.R. 4405, the “Epstein Files Transparency Act,” became law as Public Law 119–38 on November 19, 2025. (Congress.gov)
It requires DOJ to publish all unclassified records in its possession relating to Epstein (including materials referencing Maxwell, flight logs/travel records, and named/referenced individuals), in a searchable + downloadable format—while allowing redactions to protect victims and certain ongoing investigative needs. (Congress.gov)
DOJ also has reporting obligations to Congress describing what was released/withheld and summarizing redactions. (Congress.gov)

Why your readers should care

This law is basically a national stress test for transparency: can the government release what it has, protect victims, and still tell the public the truth about how Epstein operated and who enabled him?

VMAG Update Tracker (what to watch for)

Use these as “headline modules” you can rotate daily:

  • What DOJ has published so far (official DOJ disclosures page) (Department of Justice)

  • Whether releases are complete vs partial and whether Congress gets the required reporting

  • Victim protection & redaction clarity (what’s redacted and why)

  • Independent oversight talk (special master / court oversight discussions have been reported) (The Guardian)

Polls for VMAG Readers (fast, high-response)

Poll 1: Transparency Priority

Which matters most in Epstein disclosures?

  • A) Maximum release (with victim protection)

  • B) Only what’s needed for prosecutions

  • C) Focus on institutions that failed (DOJ/BOP/courts)

  • D) Focus on named “politically exposed persons”

  • E) Not sure / need to see what gets released

Poll 2: Trust Meter

How much do you trust DOJ to handle releases fairly?

  • 0–20%

  • 21–40%

  • 41–60%

  • 61–80%

  • 81–100%

Poll 3: Redaction Standard

What’s an acceptable redaction standard?

  • A) Redact only victims + minor IDs (phones/addresses)

  • B) Redact anything tied to “ongoing investigation”

  • C) Redact nothing—release to journalists/courts only

  • D) Independent review should decide (special master)

Poll 4: Impact

If major new names appear, what should happen next?

  • A) Immediate hearings

  • B) New criminal investigations

  • C) Civil suits/compensation focus

  • D) All of the above

  • E) Wait for verification

Survey Questions (deeper, “VMAG Intelligence Brief” style)

  1. What type of evidence would you consider “real” transparency?
    (Choose all): documents / sworn testimony / videos-audio / bank records / travel logs / charging decisions / full timelines.

  2. Which institutions should be audited first if disclosures look incomplete?
    DOJ, FBI, BOP, courts, intelligence agencies, financial institutions, others.

  3. Should there be an independent victims-first board overseeing redactions?
    Yes / No / Unsure.

  4. Do you want VMAG to maintain a “claims vs verified” ledger as files drop?
    Yes / No.

  5. What’s your biggest concern?
    Victim safety / cover-ups / misinformation / political weaponization / lack of prosecutions / something else.

“Teach it to 5th Graders” Questions (easy shareables)

  • “If the government has unclassified Epstein records, why wouldn’t it release them?”

  • “How do you protect victims while still showing the public what happened?”

  • “What does ‘searchable and downloadable’ really mean for citizens?”

VMAG Calls-to-Action (clean + non-defamatory)

Your ecosystem promo block (short + consistent)

Follow the VMAG hubs for updates & tools:

  • Transparency + accountability: MyJudgeWasWatchingPorn.com

  • Campaign + policy: VoteMotta2028.com • Motta2028.com

  • Creator + invention economy: IdeasToInvent.com • IdeasToInvent.com/vmags • InventVMAGs.com

  • Official site: RobertRMottaOfficial.com (note: your typed URL had “offical”; double-check spelling on-site so links don’t break)

Optional “Update Drop” Template (paste daily)

VMAG Epstein Act Update — (Date)

  • DOJ update: (what changed)

  • What’s new: (documents/categories)

  • What’s missing: (categories still withheld)

  • Victim protection notes: (what’s redacted)

  • Reader action: vote in today’s poll + drop sources in comments

If you want, I can convert this into a single “VMAG page layout” (headline + cards + polls + update tracker + source box) that matches your Webador embed style—no heavy code, just clean sections you can reuse across domains.

If it were proven with high-confidence evidence (e.g., verified biometrics, chain-of-custody documents, multiple independent confirmations) that Jeffrey Epstein is still alive, it would be a global-level shock with consequences way beyond “celebrity scandal.” Here’s why.

Why it would be a world-scale event

Epstein wasn’t just a criminal case; he was a transnational influence-and-blackmail narrative tied (rightly or wrongly) to:

  • wealthy elites

  • intelligence-adjacent networks

  • cross-border money flows

  • institutions that are supposed to be trustworthy (courts, prisons, DOJ, FBI)

If he were alive, the immediate assumption—fair or not—would be: “Someone powerful helped.” That’s why it would ripple worldwide.

Biggest impacts in the USA

1) A crisis of institutional legitimacy

If Epstein “died in custody” officially, but didn’t actually die, that implies a catastrophic failure (or corruption) across:

  • Bureau of Prisons

  • medical examiner processes

  • evidence handling

  • DOJ oversight

  • possibly federal courts and federal contracting

Public trust would take a major hit—think “Watergate-level,” but with modern social media acceleration.

2) Criminal justice earthquake

You’d see a wave of:

  • new investigations (escape facilitation, falsified records, obstruction, perjury, fraud)

  • reopened cases involving testimony, deals, sealed filings, and evidence that may have been withheld

  • indictments not just for sex trafficking, but for anyone involved in a cover-up/escape

Even the possibility of coordinated falsification would trigger mass audits.

3) Victims and witnesses: safety + justice implications

For survivors, it would be both:

  • a renewed trauma (the person at the center didn’t face final accountability)

  • and potentially a path to more evidence, more testimony, more corroboration

It would also raise serious concerns about witness intimidation and ongoing harm.

4) Political shockwaves (both parties)

It would become a political weapon instantly—left vs right—because:

  • everyone would accuse the other side of protecting elites

  • it would be used to justify investigations, hearings, “purges,” or reforms

  • it could dominate election cycles and reshape reform agendas (prisons, intelligence oversight, FOIA, sealing rules)

Biggest global impacts

1) Intelligence and diplomatic fallout

Other countries would ask:

  • Did he have a passport network?

  • Was he moved through friendly jurisdictions?

  • Who provided shelter, banking, or protection?

If any “state-linked” facilitation were proven, you’d see diplomatic conflict and international warrants.

2) Financial system scrutiny

A “still alive” proof would re-ignite aggressive probes into:

  • shell companies

  • offshore trusts

  • private banking compliance failures

  • asset seizures and clawbacks

Banks and intermediaries would face huge pressure.

Information/tech impact

1) The “proof standard” becomes the story

The world would demand chain-of-custody proof, not vibes:

  • DNA/biometrics

  • authenticated documents

  • independent verification

  • credible whistleblowers with corroboration

2) Massive misinformation risk

Even claims of him being alive create viral chaos. If actual proof emerged, it would also trigger:

  • deepfake claims (“this is AI”)

  • false sightings

  • copycat “files” and forged documents

So the global information ecosystem would become extremely noisy—fast.

What would change immediately (practical)

If credible proof surfaced, you’d likely see within days/weeks:

  • emergency hearings and subpoenas

  • protective custody actions for key witnesses

  • new federal task forces

  • international cooperation requests (Interpol-style coordination)

  • media outlets running continuous investigative coverage

Bottom line

If proven, it would be one of the biggest institutional scandals in modern US history, with global consequences—because it would imply either:

  • a historic failure of custody and documentation systems, or

  • a coordinated cover-up, which is even bigger.

If you want, tell me what you mean by “proven” (photo, biometrics, document trail, witness, etc.) and I’ll rank the top 10 types of evidence from weakest to strongest, and what would be required for each to hold up in court and in public opinion.

Here’s a campaign-safe, credibility-first webpage promo for: “Is Epstein Still Alive?” that doesn’t assert it as fact, avoids defamation traps, and still hits hard on transparency + evidence + oversight.

Headline options

  1. Is Jeffrey Epstein Still Alive? The Evidence, the Gaps, and the Public Records

  2. Epstein: Dead, Alive, or Covered Up? Show the Documents

  3. Stop the Rumors. Release the Records.

  4. If He’s Dead, Prove It. If He’s Alive, Find Him.

  5. Transparency Test: Epstein Edition

Hero section copy (above the fold)

Is Epstein still alive?
People argue about it nonstop—because the public still doesn’t have full transparency, full records, and full accountability.

This page doesn’t ask you to “believe.” It asks you to verify.

✅ What’s confirmed
✅ What’s disputed
✅ What’s missing
✅ What documents should be released
✅ What questions any honest government should answer

If officials want the rumors to end, the solution is simple:
publish the records, preserve the evidence, and allow real oversight.

CTA buttons

  • Read the evidence map

  • See the unanswered questions

  • Join the transparency alert list

  • Share this page

Credibility statement (journalist-style)

This page separates:

  • Verified facts (court records, official statements, credible reporting)

  • Unverified claims (allegations without documentation)

  • Open questions (areas where records are missing or inconsistent)

We will update this page when new primary-source material becomes public.
We welcome corrections—with citations.

Section: What we know (facts only)

Use bullet points like:

  • Official timeline (arrest → detention → death ruling)

  • Publicly known investigative agencies involved

  • Court proceedings connected to Epstein/associates

  • Document releases (what was released vs withheld)

(Keep this strictly sourced. No “he definitely…” statements.)

Section: Why people think he could be alive (the “gaps”)

Frame as questions, not conclusions:

  • Chain-of-custody clarity: What evidence is publicly verifiable?

  • Transparency gaps: What records are still withheld and why?

  • Contradictions: Where do official narratives conflict across statements?

  • Motive: Who benefits from public confusion?

Key line:
When trust collapses, rumors grow. Transparency kills rumors.

Section: What would settle it (the transparency checklist)

A “receipt-driven” list that sounds professional:

Minimum transparency items:

  • Independent documentation audits (redaction logs, release indices)

  • Verified custody records for relevant evidence

  • Full list of withheld categories with legal basis

  • Inspector General-style review summary

  • Preservation orders and disclosure of any destruction policies

CTA: “If you’re in Congress or DOJ—publish the list.”

Section: Public action

Keep it campaign-oriented but not “call to harass.”

  • Share the page

  • Subscribe for updates

  • Submit primary-source links

  • Support transparency policies

Strong campaign line:
I’m not asking for blind trust. I’m asking for open records and accountable government.

Cross-promo block (your ecosystem)

Transparency + Oversight Network

Add a small banner:
“Truth travels faster when the public can search and verify.”

Social promos (copy/paste)

X / Twitter (short)

Is Epstein still alive?
I’m not selling a conclusion—I’m demanding verifiable transparency.
Facts. Gaps. Records. Oversight.
No more secrecy. No more “trust us.”
👉 [your page link]
#Transparency #Accountability

Facebook / longer

People keep asking: “Is Epstein still alive?”
Instead of telling you what to think, I built a page that separates:
✅ verified facts
❓ unanswered questions
📄 records still withheld
If officials want the rumors to end, they should release the records.
👉 [your page link]

YouTube description blurb

This episode: Is Epstein Still Alive?
We’re focusing on evidence and transparency, not hype.
Full resource page + updates: [your page link]

Legal-safe disclaimer (recommended)

Important: This page discusses public allegations and unresolved questions. It does not assert unverified claims as fact. We encourage readers to rely on primary documents and credible reporting, and we will correct errors with sourced documentation.

If you want, I can also generate:

  • A Webador-friendly one-page layout (hero + sections + CTA buttons)

  • A VMAG “evidence map” template (tabs: Facts / Claims / Gaps / Documents / Timeline)

  • A 10-question poll/survey for readers to capture sentiment + leads (email opt-in).

Below is a practical, step-by-step workflow (you can actually do today) + a Webador beta embed module you can paste right now.

You asked for: take a YouTube video → extract frames → turn frames into an image flip eMag → keep video playing → “X-Ray Flip” overlay.

1) Workflow: Video → Frames → Flip eMag (best-practice)

A. Get the video file (legally)

Use only videos you own, have permission to reuse, or that are licensed for reuse. If it’s a YouTube video you’re embedding (not reuploading), you can still make a flipbook from your own notes/screenshots, but bulk frame extraction may create copyright issues unless you have permission.

Best practice (safe path):

  • Keep the video embedded (YouTube iframe)

  • Use the flipbook as your analysis layer: screenshots you took, diagrams, annotated stills, and/or creator-approved frames.

B. Extract frames (choose a “lite” or “full” method)

Option 1 (Lite, easiest): “Scene thumbnails” instead of every frame

This gives you 20–80 key frames, fast.

  • Tool: ffmpeg (best)

  • Result: fewer images → faster loading in Webador

Command idea (conceptually):

  • Extract 1 frame every 2 seconds (or 1 sec) depending on length.

Option 2 (Full): Every frame (not recommended for Webador)

A 15-minute video at 30fps = 27,000 images. Webador pages will choke.

Best practice: do 1 frame per 1–3 seconds, or scene changes.

C. Name and host images

You need the frames hosted somewhere your Webador site can reach:

  • Your own domain: https://www.ideastoinvent.com/vmags/frames/video1/frame_0001.jpg

  • Or Hostinger file manager / CDN

  • Or Webador’s file hosting if it allows direct image URLs (often limited)

Naming convention:

  • frame_0001.jpg

  • frame_0002.jpg

  • etc.

D. Build the flipbook

You have 2 good patterns:

Pattern 1: “CSS scroll-snap flip” (no external JS)

  • Fast, Webador-friendly

  • Touch swipe works on mobile

  • “Flip-like” behavior via snap points

Pattern 2: Full page-turn library (Turn.js / StPageFlip)

  • Prettier page-turn effect

  • BUT: Webador sometimes blocks external JS; also heavier.

For beta: use Pattern 1. It’s stable.

E. Add “X-Ray Flip”

In VMAG terms, “X-Ray” is a transparent overlay on top of the image with:

  • caption / notes

  • keyword highlights

  • “evidence tags”

  • click to toggle on/off

2) AI apps and tools to automate this

Here are the “stack choices”:

Frame extraction

  • FFmpeg (best, free)

  • “Scene detect” (advanced): ffmpeg + select='gt(scene,0.3)'

AI captioning / indexing (optional)

  • ChatGPT / GPT vision: label frames (what’s on screen)

  • Whisper: transcript → map timestamps to frames

  • Your VMAG system: store frame metadata JSON:

     
    [{"i":1,"t":"00:05","cap":"Host says...","tags":["epstein","claim"]}]

Flipbook builder

  • Beta: Webador embed (below)

  • Later: custom VMAG builder app that generates HTML + JSON automatically

3) Webador Beta Draft Embed Code: Video + X-Ray Flip eMag

This is a working prototype. It assumes you uploaded frames to a folder URL.

What you MUST edit:

  • FRAME_BASE_URL → where your frames live

  • FRAME_COUNT → how many frames you created

  • DEFAULT_VIDEO_ID → current video

Paste into a Webador Embed HTML element.

VMAG Creator Feature

Reader controls below: Play / Pause / Stop / ±5s. Engage on YouTube + keep the VMAG running 24/7.
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  1. Is Jeffrey Epstein Still Alive? The Evidence, the Gaps, and the Public Records

  2. Epstein: Dead, Alive, or Covered Up? Show the Documents

  3. Stop the Rumors. Release the Records.

  4. If He’s Dead, Prove It. If He’s Alive, Find Him.

  5. Transparency Test: Epstein Edition

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Is Epstein still alive?
People argue about it nonstop—because the public still doesn’t have full transparency, full records, and full accountability.

This page doesn’t ask you to “believe.” It asks you to verify.

✅ What’s confirmed
✅ What’s disputed
✅ What’s missing
✅ What documents should be released
✅ What questions any honest government should answer

If officials want the rumors to end, the solution is simple:
publish the records, preserve the evidence, and allow real oversight.

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  • Contradictions: Where do official narratives conflict across statements?

  • Motive: Who benefits from public confusion?

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  • Inspector General-style review summary

  • Preservation orders and disclosure of any destruction policies

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Transcript

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Like and subscribe. Join the Discord, the Minecraft server, and the Patreon. Now, let's dive. I spent the last three
weeks of my life digging up the real unknown information about Jeffrey Epstein. You know him, the beloved
financier and philanthropist, and his esteemed demon, my bad, girlfriend, Gizlane Maxwell, the AIS and Redditor.
And in that time, I noticed that there was a hole in the market for Epstein information. That being any reasonable
proof he actually met his end by his own hand in August of 2019 in the jail cell.
And from my research, there's only one conclusion from what I've uncovered. Not only did Epstein not take his own life,
he never even died at all. And so that's what I've set out to do for you here today. Bring all this information
together that I have gleaned from the internet and first prove that Epstein did not kill himself. And second of all,
prove that he is still alive. And third of all, give some plausible theories about where he might be today. One would
assume that guarding Epstein was a battalion of Navy Seals perhaps prepared to perish to preserve and ensure that
Epstein would be forced into revealing everyone implicated in his ways. But no, we actually had the opposite. And for
us, that's where this story really begins. At 6:30 a.m., Jeffrey Epstein is discovered by the two guards who have
been posted outside of his cell named Toa Noel and Michael Thomas. And they are reason number one that Epstein did
not kill himself. These two guards were so derelct in their duties and genuinely stupid that it can only be intentional.
The pair were meant to check on Epstein every 15 to 30 minutes and keep a strict log of having done so, but they just
decided not to do that and instead just forged the log book and said that they made their rounds. Now, with all the
extra time on their hands, what might they have been doing, you ask? They were really busy shopping for furniture
online, looking at motorcycles they could only afford if perhaps they were given a giant amount of cash, and making
little refresher walks to the breakroom, which was the opposite direction of Epstein's cell and dozens of feet
further. And for the record, these check-ins that they had to do were incredibly simple. Tova Noel and Michael Thomas were posted roughly 15 ft from
Epstein's jail cell door, and all they had to do was walk over there, make sure he wasn't doing anything circumspect,
and walk back. It's not like they had to check his prison wallet every 15 minutes. And even worse, the two were,
and I can't make this up, taking simultaneous 2-hour long naps. And conveniently, alongside this, the camera
stopped working. And there was no video evidence of Epstein's gel cell floor. But it's also worth noting that there's
a camera inside of Epstein's cell that's never discussed, and that too just magically stopped working, and we don't
have the footage for it. Now, I won't get into the math of how all these cameras could stop operating at the same time because it's not possible, but it's
just one of the many reasons why Epstein certainly did not kill himself. Reason two Epstein did not kill himself is that
the same night the guards were sleeping and shopping, the inmates were most certainly not. I presume there was a
unique dynamic in the cell block as the special housing unit where Epstein was was filled with murderers and an
international pedophile being just feet away from them. Well, he was very likely to have his life ended by somebody, as
it's commonly known that pedophiles are the first to die in prison. And according to the most conservative statistics, they are at least twice as
likely to die as any other inmate. Thus, I presume many inmates wondered who had gotten to Epstein when they began
hearing shrieking and shouting in their own words from Epstein's cell the night of his alleged demise. Not to state the
obvious, but you don't scream while hanging yourself in prison. It sort of defeats the purpose. On your end, I'm
sure you're wondering, like I was when I read this, why weren't we told that there had been screaming from Epstein's cell the night of his death? After all,
every inmate seems to have heard it because it was that loud. And they were emphatic that this came from Epstein's
cell, no one else's, and it wasn't the guards. And speaking of the guards, why didn't anyone go and check in on Epstein
at this point? Certainly, if there were a time to get off Wayfair and make sure the world's most high-profile criminal wasn't being murdered would be when he's
shouting and screaming from his jail cell. That would be unless you as a guard were paid off, which these two
obviously were. Anyone can see that. Now, Cooper, you might add here, it's clear that Tova and Michael were failing
in their duties. We can't deny that, but we can't just say they were paid off with no evidence. After all, these are
highly trained, longtime prison guards. They wouldn't just take a bribe. Certainly, the Bureau of Prisons has
standards to prevent that sort of thing from happening. And here's reason three why Epstein did not himself. Firstly,
Tova Noel was a new hire. That was the female guard on site that night. She was only recently progressed from training
and placed into normal operations, and she was scum. She was known to be bad at her job and had taken it upon herself to
physically assault one of her colleagues, which she was later sued for. Now, it's only worth laughing at because Tova said that her colleague was
being racist for telling her how to do her job and helping her. And the colleague that Tova had been saying
these things about was, no joke, an elderly Mexican woman who had been in the system for a number of years and had been placed in charge of Tova's
training. So, it was her trainer telling her what to do. Huh. While on the other hand, Michael Thomas, the other security
guard, wasn't quite the pick of the litter either. After Epstein allegedly took his life, an anonymous source
inside the prison reached out to a couple of news agencies and reported that one of the guards wasn't actually a Bureau of Prisons employee. And we know
TOVA technically was, so they must be referring to Michael Thomas. And so, I did a little bit more digging and apparently he was a temporary helper
hired to keep employee and guard numbers at normal levels. That's right, Michael Thomas, based on this report, likely was
not even a prison guard. He was possibly one of dozens of people on the prison floor that night who weren't thoroughly vetted and had no history of working in
the Bureau of Prisons. And he's the exact kind of guy you would want to be guarding a fellow like Epstein if, say, you were trying to get him out. So, of
the two people tasked with guarding Epstein, not only were both of them either willfully incompetent in plain stupid, they were also the lowest
possible common denominator of employee possible, and one wasn't even a real trained guard. But hey, at least justice
was served, right? Tova and Michael both got acquitted on all charges, including forging prison documents, which they
legitimately did but got off on, because they pleaded black, and told the judge that they were being used as scapegoats
because of their race. Just let that one settle in for you. Reason number four, Epstein did not kill himself. Watch is
one of the most regulated things an inmate can be on. The protocol is either to remove everything from the inmate's cell or put him in a special cell with
nothing in it but a plastic mattress. And then you strip the inmate completely nude. And at that point, a guard is
placed on 247 watch over the inmate. You literally don't even get toilet paper in there because you could use that to
choke yourself. And because it's so strenuous, it's often very difficult to get into. In fact, Epstein was evaluated
more than three times by prison psychologists before actually getting placed on suicide watch. It's also
typical for prisoners to have a sort of downshifting period from maximum watch to a lesser version of that. And the
lesser version is that once they leave the new chamber, they then go into a special section of the prison where their cell is closest to the guards so
they have immediate access and they also typically have a less offensive cellmate with them to help ensure that if they do
begin trying to themselves, the cellmate will stop them from doing it. And Epstein was in fact moved to the closest
cell to the guards. We saw how much that helped. But Epstein was also given a very lackluster cellmate, the kind of
dude that most would be afraid of. In fact, rather than getting a less violent or nonviolent offender, Epstein got
probably the most violent offender in there at that time, at least in his unit. His name was Nicholas Tarteleion,
a former cop who murdered four people. And this man was Epstein's cellmate before and after being in suicide watch.
And it's critical to know this because Epstein didn't allegedly try taking his own life once, but twice according to
most resources. But I'll tell you why this is crap. On July 23rd, he was found on the floor of a cell with a strip of
bed sheet around his neck. Sounds familiar. Now, this Tarteglion fellow is no joke. He's built like a fortress, a
massive man. But an important connection to make is that one of these murders he conducted was on a woman in which he strangled her. And Epstein was found
with a bed sheet tied around his neck within feet of a man who literally strangles people to death. Indeed, if
this weren't Epstein and he weren't in prison, it's pretty clear that Tartagleon would be on trial right now for another attempted murder. But the
skeptic out there will be willing to take the headlines at face value and assume these are just coincidences. And to the skeptic, I say the following.
Epstein told lawyers that his cellmate Nicholas Tarteleion had roughed him up after being sent to suicide watch. And
in addition to that, Epste would make a very interesting remark to his lawyers and several other people within the prison. That being that he was a coward,
would never try and take his own life, and he was afraid of pain. So therefore, why on earth do we have the mainstream
narrative that it was Epstein trying to take his own life? Reason number five that Epstein did notself goes along with
the above in the sense that there are dozens of things I could point out and this video will be an hour plus long. So, to save time and get to the juicier
bits later on, I'm just going to rapid fire a few factoids at you. Number one, on July 16th, Epstein made an
unmonitored and illegal phone call from prison, presumably on an employes's phone, he got permission from. Worth
noting, this employee broke every single code. And yet, he was never prosecuted. The phone call, despite being made in a
prison with dozens of cameras watching and recording audio, has never been released. Maybe the cameras weren't working that day either. And to this
day, over 6 years later, we still are not told who's on the other end of the line. Epste eventually hung up the phone
after a stern many minutes long conversation and gave the phone back to the employee. Now, who on earth could
Epstein have possibly said he was calling? Well, his mommy, of course. And apparently, the guard was never given a
basic fax file on Epstein because had he been, he would have known that Epstein's mother had been dead since 2004, a full
15 years prior to this phone call. Meaning, who Epstein made the call to is still completely unknown, but it
definitely wasn't his mom. Another interesting fact is that Epstein reported bizarre happenings in his cell prior to his demise, including a toilet
that wouldn't stop flushing and the inability to sleep. He would cover his ears and shut his eyes and curl up in a ball to try and get any shutye. And yet,
despite this, he maintained upwards of 12-hour meetings with his lawyers on a daily basis. In addition to this,
another interesting report that refutes these Epstein side theory is that Epste had recently purchased a radio for AMFM
transmission and a set of headphones from the prison, which several prison officials went on record as saying they believed was Epstein getting used to the
idea that he was going to be here for a while. And finally, the Manhattan Metropolitan Correctional Facility where Epste was housed, was known for a major
problem. That being that inmates were being delivered supplies via drone, meaning machines and possibly people
could easily have gotten into Epstein without anyone noticing, as it's happened before. Now, that is a fact
they don't want you to know. That all being said, let's fast forward to reason 6. It's 6:33 a.m. on August 10th, and
Epstein has yet to report to the guard and come for breakfast. So, the guards, Michael and Toba, finally go in to check
on Epstein, only to find him in a kneeling position with his legs just shy of touching the floor, being held up by a set of bed sheets tied to the top bar
of his bunk bed. At this juncture, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to surmise that Epstein is obviously long dead. And
it's not like these were new guards. They were well aware that they hadn't checked in on him in many hours and that there was no chance to revive Epstein.
Therefore, the expectation at this point would be to immediately get doctors and medical examiners here and ensure that absolutely nothing can disrupt the crime
scene and that no one tampers with the evidence. But the guards don't do this. According to his testimony, Michael
Thomas bursts into the 86.4 ft cell and cuts Epstein down from where he is held a loft. He then proceeds to attempt
resuscitating the lifeless husk, shouting, "Breathe, Epstein, breathe." Followed up with, "We're going to be in
so much trouble." Certainly, Thomas was correct. He should have been in so much trouble. And it's worth noting this body is so dead at this point, he has the
same chance of breathing life into it as he does my stuffed horse. And based on Michael Thomas' words, and own account,
he was well aware of that. He was just doing this to cover his butt. The two prison guards then proceed to use a defibrillator on Epstein, all the while
continuing to disturb the crime scene, completely destroyed all available evidence in the cell. If there were any other DNA present at one point in this
room, it certainly isn't there any longer. Everything in the cell is manhandled, covered in their DNA, and
thrown around. Even Epstein's mattress ends up on the floor, which makes zero sense. At this juncture, it's surpassed
the point where stupidity is no longer an acceptable excuse. These two were not only derelcting their duties, they then
entered a crime scene and destroyed all of the evidence. Eventually, the medical professionals on site got wind of what
happened to Epstein and come to remove the body and photograph the evidence. Once again, breaking protocol, though,
because they should have left the body in the cell and then taken photos as the scene stood, which to my knowledge, and
based on all the photos online that I could find, did not happen. They removed his body and then took photos of what was left inside. So, now we're left with
a completely unusable crime scene, two further guilty guards, and questionable medical examiners who didn't even take
the right kind of photos. Which leads us into reason number seven why I've seen did not elf. After the crime scene was
destroyed, photos were taken, but barely a handful. It looks like I would imagine you'd be taking hundreds, maybe even
thousands of photographs at this point just to make sure that you cover all of your bases where, to your knowledge, Earth's most depraved criminal just
hanged himself, but they don't do this. Instead, we get these out of focus, strangely angled photos showing us
seemingly intentionally, in my opinion, absolutely nothing of value. I went to dinner with my family a couple days ago
and I took better and more accurate photographs of what I ate than what they did of Epstein's crime scene. But
unintentionally, this photographer caught something he probably wasn't supposed to. The discerning eye, upon a
second glance, will notice some pretty groundbreaking piece of evidence that even Tova and Michael Thomas couldn't
have missed. First is the alleged noose, which was made either from bed sheets or bits of clothing. The facts are a bit
murky there. In either case, the material given to the prisoners for clothing and sheets is designed in a manner to prevent just this Epstein
situation from happening. Also, as far as I can tell online, the color of uniform for the Manhattan Metropolitan Correctional Center is blue, not orange.
At least that's what all the MCC prisoners I could find online were depicted as wearing. But hey, I mean,
that's just a bit odd to me. But it could be that they changed uniform colors by the time Epste got there. I
think that's doubtful, but I'll grant the skeptic the benefit of the doubt there. What however is even stranger is that if we refer to Michael Thomas's own
testimony, he states that he had noticed Epstein dangling from the top of his bed. And so he runs in, pulls out a
blade, and cuts Epstein down. But wait a minute there, buddy. There is not a
single sign of this fabric having been cut with a knife. Moreover, the end of the material is hemmed, meaning that
most certainly it was never cut. So therefore, ladies and gentlemen, it is certainly not the noose that Epstein
used on himself. Most obviously because Epstein did not self. Reason number eight, Epstein did not kill himself. I'm
going to advocate for the other side here. If I were to lobomize myself right this second and believe that Epstein, the man who asked we discussed in the
Zoro ranch video, was obsessed with living forever to the point of having laboratories and female egg farms under his home, actually killed himself, then
there are even more questions that we must answer. For instance, why oh why would he choose the most impossible
method for taking his own life? A method that would only cause him pain, not death, and would likely get him thrown
in the nude watch chamber. And once again, this is the guy who made a point of telling everyone around him that he
was a coward who hated pain. The answer is simply that he wouldn't. He would never take the slowest, most painful,
and most unlikely way of taking his life. Instead, he would choose a much more guaranteed method for ending his life. Something sturdy and reliable and
built Ford tough. My bad, not not an ad read right now. You know, like a large swath of thick plastic tubing. Or, you
know, if I had my pick of the litter, I might choose a strong black unbreakable power cord. Now, obviously Epstein
didn't have his pick of the letter and couldn't have chosen either of these. So, why are you telling me this, Cooper? Well, because Epstein actually could
have chosen either of these things instead of the bed sheets. And that's because Epstein had sleep apnea. What a
weird diversion, Cooper. I know. Why do I care? Just trust me here. I have a thing. My father also has sleep apnea.
And with it comes a very large, loud machine with this strap that goes over your face and like sucks into your nose.
It's really weird looking. And then that attaches to a length of thick plastic tubing that then goes into a machine,
typically a big black box, that forces you to breathe and is powered by typically a long black cable which plugs
into any wall within several feet. Sleep apnea is really crucial for some people because at certain points you can stop
breathing for seconds or minutes on end, which obvious problems when you stop breathing, you can die. And in spite of that, I still make fun of my dad, but
that's a side point. But taking my dad out of the story, Epstein is sitting in a room with his sleep apnea machine.
This sleep apnea machine was not regulated for prisons at all. You can see it in the picture. It has several feet of this thick plastic tubing and
then several feet of black cable plugging into the wall. So, you'd actually have to be an idiot not to use
that instead. And if there's one thing Epste is not, he's most certainly not an idiot. Makes you wonder then why the media never told you that little bit of
information, did it? Cuz all you had to do was look at a photo. Reason number nine. Now, at this juncture, I am sure
that in no way you believe Epstein took his own life. If you do, I would like to sell you some knives. And if you get three of your friends to join, I'll make
you rich. So, what else we can agree on is that I haven't quite proven that Epstein isn't dead. Fair. So, let's move
our attention to the photos of his body after it's taken away from the prison. The first thing you may notice is that
none of these autopsy photos look like Epstein. And it's convenient that there are no photos that are direct on angles
of his face, which means we can't run any facial recognition software or clearly discern if it's him or not. That
being said, we can disprove this being Epstein's body well before the autopsy photos. There is a photo that reveals more to us than any direct shot of his
face could. And it's this skezy little angle we get of Epstein's ear or very clearly not Epste's ear because they
don't even remotely match one another. So unless Epstein got new ears while in prison, this is not his body, which
leaves us to wonder whose it is. Then I've seen and read many theories, including a body double for who this
could be, which is possible considering Epstein's countless millions of dollars he poured into his foray into human cloning, which no joke, check out the
Zoro Ranch video if you haven't seen that. My personal theory, though, is that this body looks a ton like the brother of Hillary Clinton named Tony
Rodm, who died just a handful of weeks prior to Epstein. And here's a photo of what he looks like. And no, I'm not
lying to you. The man on screen is not Jeffrey Epstein. That's actually Hillary's brother. And you are not mistaken, thinking that they could
practically be twins. In fact, here's a side profile of him playing golf with Bill Clinton. The resemblance is
uncanny. And the ears, too, based on what I've seen, seem to show a lot of similarities with that of the body on
the Gurnie, but it's hard to tell because photos of Tony are not exactly bountiful. It is interesting, though, that Tony's nose most certainly has more
of a hooked shape like the body on the Gurnie, which Epstein's most certainly does not. However, that is not nearly
the only thing about this photo that makes it so suspicious. Not by a long shot. Indeed, the more compelling
argument is about the photo itself, and more specifically, who took it. Let's pause and ask ourselves. No one at this
point, outside of a few prison staff knows Epstein's dead, supposedly, and no one has spoken about the matter outside
of the prison system. So, how then did a photographer manage to be at the exact right place at the exact right moment to
get a photo of the now deceased, allegedly world's most high-profile criminal ever in the split second he's taken from the ambulance into the
hospital? How? I mean, a thousand things would have had to go correct. He would have had to know which prison epste was coming from. He would have had to have
known when they were going to take him out. He had to have known that he had died. He had to have known which hospital they were going to take Epstein to and at what time. There were so many
things that just make the chances of this happening zero. And no, there wasn't a tip off either. It wasn't linked to the press and no one was made
aware that Epstein was going to be there. And this is the only photographer who shows up to see Epstein. So, I can't
believe that. And therefore, I decided to look into who this photographer is. After all, he does seem to have the most
fortunate timing ever and the best connections ever. He must have an illustrious career. Correct. and you'd
be incorrect because he doesn't actually exist. The name of this photographer is William Farington, who happens to share
the same last name and likeness of the infamous photographer Roger Fington. Roger was famous for working with the
CIA in the 1970s and being one of those guys who always got the exclusive shots of the most atrocious criminals. And the
Epstein photos are nowhere near the first time he got an extremely welltimed photo, not even by a long shot. One
example is he was one of the last people to get photos of John Lennon before his likely government-ended demise in the
1980s. Roger Farington was also known for his special connections to the Boston Mafia in the 1970s. Roger
Farington was also a very close friend of the Clinton family and took many of their photos and also had top secret
security clearance. Just let that one settle in for a second. And Roger Farington has also photographed the wealthy, powerful, and celebrities. And
his list of employers is just about the exact same as Epstein's black book. So, I don't know about you, but that seems like a connection to me. And this
William Ferington, despite taking one of the most important series of photos ever, that being Epstein's body being
rolled out of the ambulance, has no desire to take credit for it. Indeed, outside of the watermark with his brand
name on it, you really won't find him talking about it anywhere. Thus, when an investigator managed to find his phone
number and call him, he got a very strange response that he wasn't expecting, considering how important this photograph was. And here it is for
you now. Hello. Hi. Is this Bill Farington?
Who's calling? My name's Robbie Walters. I'm a freelance writer from upstate New York.
I uh What's going on? Um I wanted to see if you had like a
minute or so to talk about that uh Epstein photo you took on Saturday.
Uh I I didn't really care to talk about it. Well, it's like a worldwide photo now.
It's like probably the photo of the year. I just was, you know, I don't think I I think that that's not
Thanks, Robbie. I appreciate you, John. Okay. Um All right. Bye. Combine everything I've
told you with this recording and the fact that there's zero social media presence for Will online except for LinkedIn with no posts and a few
followers. There's really no reason to believe this guy is anything other than Roger Ferington using another name. And
I might add that it is very convenient William also works for the New York Post which is owned by a man named Rupert
Murdoch, another vile fellow and friend of Epstein and Geese Lanes. And once again, I'm sure that's just a
coincidence. But I doubt that this reason number 10 is because if we were to look into Rupert Murdoch, we're going to notice some interesting things.
History of faking photographs does not begin with Epstein's. So let's switch to another photograph. That being Gizlane's
infamous In-N-Out Burger photo shoot. For context, 2 days after Epstein perished, allegedly, Gizlane Maxwell was
caught out at random at an In-N-Out Burger just reading a book and eating some munchies. This was the first public
appearance of Gizlane in over 3 years. And understandably, everyone was a bit shocked to just see her there sitting
and eating. After all, this is the demon spawn and accomplice of Jeffrey Epste, the international pedophile trafficker
murderer, and she's just sitting there munching on her meal and reading a book. What gives? And there's a lot to unravel here, so let's run it from the top to
the bottom. First of all, the book Eane is reading is entitled The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives, which is a little on the
nose considering her father, Robert Maxwell, herself, and Epstein were all intelligence assets. But that is by no
means the strangest thing in this photo. Expanding into the photo itself, there are some things that are clearly off. According to the story, the photographer
was a random passer by who noticed Gizeline and asked if she was actually Gizlane Maxwell and then took the photo.
Except that's definitely a lie. Firstly, there are two drinks, two phones, and two trays of food, as well as an ID
badge sitting on the table. Gizlane is clearly not alone, as the whole news media was telling us. Secondly,
reviewing the metadata for the photo shows that it wasn't taken on some random phone camera, but a highquality
photography camera, which is convenient. Someone just had that with them while at In-N-Out Burger. Thirdly, the copyright
for the images owned by a company named Metgate Media. And a basic search for business filings shows us that Metalgate
Media has five directors or officers. And the agent for the company who filed the paperwork is a woman named Leia
Stafen. And Leia, as we are told, is not some random passer by, but actually the Maxwell family lawyer and was with
Gizlane all the way through her show trial. The dog in the In-N-Out image is not Gizlane's dog, as I imagine she eats
puppy souls for breakfast, but is actually her lawyer, Leia Stafen's dog, and you can see that on her archived
social media profiles from the time. Thus, the photograph was clearly staged. But to really bring it home, Meettogate
Media is also the name of a company owned by Rupert Murdoch. The same fellow who owns the company that got the impossibly well timed photos of Epstein
being rolled out of the ambulance. Or well, I shouldn't say Epstein because we all know without a doubt that's not his body, which is just another clear sign
that Rupert Murdoch is involved in this and stage his photos. But if you thought I was done there, no, no, no. One more
detail must be added to this whole thing. The Gizane photo was manipulated like I'll get out. When you remove the
mosaic blurs from the faces in the background, you would quickly notice that the blurring was premature because these people don't even have faces. For
instance, the man in the back seems to have four sets of eyes that pop out of his face in addition to a completely disjointed set of cheeks that don't
really match his face. And he too, despite eating alone, has two drinks on the table, which is weird. The woman on
the left of Gene Lane, has an eye that is being overgrown by a random piece of flesh on her face. And the same seems to
be happening for the other two old men at the table. Thus, either something horrible and undefinable happened to these folks, or this photo was horribly
photoshopped, making it more clear this was staged. While we're at it, though, knowing all Rupert Murdoch, Epstein's
buddy, likes to falsify photos, let's point out what's wrong with the Epstein ambulance photo. Besides the fact the body is an Epstein's one, the oxygenator
isn't even in Epstein's mouth. You can tell by the angle. What am I saying? This whole thing is a lie. Let's Let's not even belabor the point. No EMT ever
pretends the body's alive and gives it oxygen and puts the neck in a brace. The whole thing's ridiculous. Epste's been
dead for like 6 hours at this point. This entire thing was a clever piece of propaganda. By the time Epste made it to
the ambulance, he was long dead. Unless your point is to make people think that, oh my goodness, they had rushed him to
the hospital and he passed away there and that Epstein had just taken his own life. It's clearly not what happened. And it's just ridiculous that they're
trying to sell it at this point. This next section is just going to be a series of reasons why Epste is very clearly alive. We'll try and go rapid
fire because this video is already very long. The first reason I believe Epste is not dead is simple. In 2014, 5 years
before his death, Epstein masterminded the establishment of an unmonitored account that he reported to the authorities in the Virgin Islands that
it would be used for establishing an international bank. In reality, this account was basically a really fancy
entity that was separate from Epste himself and would go unnoticed by almost everybody. And Epste could run money in
and out of it. Even Epste's legal team didn't know about it until well after his alleged death. Just get this,
though. When Epste supposedly dies in prison, the account has roughly $700,000 sitting in it. Within 5 months of his
demise, the Epstein estate, which he sets up two weeks prior to his death while in prison, sends an automatic wired transfer of $15.5 million to the
account. And I want to remind you, the only person who had access to this account or knew it existed and could have unilaterally made the transfer was
Epstein, meaning that in December, the total amount of money in the account was roughly 16.2 millionish dollars. Once
again, only one man is capable of this, and he's supposedly deceased. Even stranger, no one ever presses Epstein's
legal team on this. The story dies right about the same time with no major news media coverage, which is why you've never heard of it likely until right
now. There was one report I was able to find with any amount of decent information in it. And the judge says about the money that there is no
explanation for it. And then the lawyers for Epstein proceed to claim that the money transfer was an error and that the money was just used to make basic
payments like cable bills. First of all, is it an error or is it for paying bills? because one, you don't make a $15
million error, and two, you don't need $15 million to pay for your cable bill. And $16.2 million is more than enough to
live off of, or in my theory, to get to another country with. And I don't want to leave out that within a few weeks of Epstein's account receiving this $15
million transfer, all the money was liquidated, and before the new year, it was gone. No one knew where it went. On
that note, there is an interview from an Epstein source claiming to be a MSAD agent. The agent goes on to claim that Epstein is alive and continuing his evil
ring from the deserts of Israel where he is being protected and that Epste has also continued the cloning operations we
uncovered previously. The MSAD agent says he along with many of his friends were tasked with guarding Epstein but are disgusted. Epste is taking children
from the streets of Israel and doing unimaginable things with them. And whether you take him at his word or not is up to you, but we do know that Epste
and Gizlain's dad and Gizlane herself were all MSAD agents based on the last video. And there is a picture of Epstein
wearing an IDF or Israeli Defense Force shirt on a private jet with another individual. And finally, former Prime
Minister of Israel, Ahmoud Barak, was one of Epstein's best friends visiting his home in New York over 30 times after
Epstein was convicted of sex trafficking children. It is also known that girls would walk into Epstein's home that very
same time that E-hood was visiting. And let's not forget that the government of Israel is one of the most pervasive examples of defending pedophilia. They
do it for fun over there. Moving on to the third rapidfire reason Epstein is not dead is that after doing that
30-minute Zoro Ranch video, I realized something very odd. A few years after Epstein allegedly passed away in prison,
an anonymous buyer came forward and purchased the property at about a $10 million discount. And to this day, multiple years later, we've never gotten
a single bit of information about who owns the property. And I do have to imagine that only one person would really be willing to buy that kind of
property considering that the entire thing is covered in cameras and there is a kitty strip club in the basement and egg farms and all sorts of other
disgusting things. Which then makes me wonder why this buyer has been left anonymous because there's only so many
people in this world who have the sort of money to acquire such a property. And there's even fewer people who would know how to operate all the things inside of
the property. And finally, keeping the buyer anonymous really does make me think that Epstein just reacquired the
property under a different trust so that no one would be the wiser. Because after all, CNN and Fox told us he's dead, so
he's dead. But sorry, that's too conspiratorial. Four, Epstein was clearly wealthier than anyone has ever
been told. I've seen the numbers of his net worth go up every year from 500 million to 600 million to a billion to 2
billion. He clearly had a lot more money than we're aware of. And more important than money was his sway. He had connections to just about every single
wealthy or powerful person or celebrity on the face of the earth. And there's no shot that he ended his life in prison.
He most certainly got out. But one reason why I think that is because most of Epstein's wealth and his properties
have been hidden to us. For instance, I'm assuming that you did not know, as I didn't until recently, that Little St. James, the island of infamy that comes
to mind for everyone when they think of Epstein, was actually one of two islands he owned. He admitted to this in an interview. Little St. James is the
little version of his other island, which is named the Great St. James. Little St. James is about 71 acres and
his great St. James is 2 and a half times the size of that coming in at a whopping 161 acres. That island has
never been searched and we do know that there are buildings on it but no one really seems to be able to get pictures of the property up close which is just
another odd addition. It's also worth noting that allegedly these islands were sold but to an anonymous buyer for whom
we have never gotten the name for it which coalesigns with just about every other Epsian property that has been sold to date. They all have anonymous buyers
who never want to come forward. At the same time as this, we have drone footage of Epstein's little island a short while
after his death. And while this drone was flying around getting video of the property, he noticed that there was a couple of people hanging out there. At
first, one would assume that they were just landscape workers. But upon a second glance, he noticed that besides the black guy is this really oddly
familiar looking white guy with white hair. He's just hanging out on his ATV standing there until he notices that
there's a drone above him. at which point he hides his face for a little bit and then gets into the ATV and immediately drives as fast as possible
into the garage where he's never seen again. And the angle is a bit tough, but that gringo does seem to look a lot like
Epstein and it is his island, so who knows? Definitely worth thinking about,
but once again, not something you find in the news media. The resemblance truly is uncanny. But above all, if there were
a reason to believe Epstein did not take his own life and that he is still alive, it would be how quickly the media tried
to cover it up. From left to right, I really don't care what your politics are. Every mainstream source was afraid to follow a real lead, like the magic
money transfers Epstein was receiving, and they programmed us with hundreds of articles to not question the narrative because if you do, you're just an idiot
and you love conspiracy theories. Well, you know what? There's an international child sex trafficker blackmailing the
most powerful and wealthy people on Earth, getting them to kids on camera, murdering them, and stealing their eggs, and discussing how he wanted to clone
himself. He also had dirt on just about everyone in power. And you want me to believe he took his own life? I'm not that mentally deficient. That's just not
going to work. That's not a conspiracy theory. That's just a conspiracy. Now, I could continue this rant for hours on why Epstein clearly is not dead. There
are facts upon facts upon facts that we could look into, but I think there's something even more compelling than that. Let's just take a look at everyone
who had a chance of breaking this case open or might have had any amount of evidence on Epstein and what's happened to them since Epstein passed away cuz it
seems a little too convenient for my taste. Take Virginia Guy for instance, who was living in Australia with her
family at the time at their ranch when she got into a car accident and was given 4 days to live according to a post
she made to social media. Shortly thereafter, though, she seemed to recover and was fine again, which is a little odd. Her family then made the
effort to go online and say that Virginia was just not in her right mind after the accident. Yet, according to Australian police reports, there were no
injuries reported from this car accident. At the same time, we're getting news that her husband was abusive. Yet, we also know that her
husband had claimed that Virginia was abusive and they had both been in court over this. Once again, though, we have no actual proof that anyone was abusive
in the relationship because I can't even really find many of Virginia's posts on the topic. Continuing on with that, Virginia in April of 2025 is found dead
by which is odd and I don't believe that period, but I especially don't believe it because Virginia made a post to
social media discussing how if she's ever found dead by suicide, it wasn't of her own valition and that she did not commit suicide. She was murdered.
Continuing even further down that rabbit hole, there is a note that she left that her family said was a su note. Except
we've only gotten a very tiny part of that note, and it reads as follows. Mothers, fathers, sisters, and brothers need to show the battle lines are drawn
and stand together to fight for the future of victims. Is protesting the answer? I don't know, but we've got to start somewhere. They kind of tried to
phrase this as a side note or like something was going on with Virginia and she took her life over this, but this is clearly not a side note. But it's saying
that you want to continue the fight, which she obviously did by putting on blast Epstein and Gazelene and everything that they had done. And
looking at the letter itself, you can see that there are bullet points, meaning that these were just a few of many points she had listed out for us to
know. Yet only this small section has ever been released to my knowledge. So very odd and too much mystery
surrounding her death for me to believe it's just a Continuing on, we have Mark Middleton, who served as a special
assistant to President Bill Clinton during the first term of his presidency. Mark Middleton had admitted Epstein into
the White House. at least seven of his 17 times visiting during that first term, meaning Mark had access and
knowledge of everything that went down between the two. And yet Mark dies by died in May of 2022. He was 59 years old
and his body was found in a car at the Heer Ranch, which is owned by an anti-poverty nonprofit in Arkansas, an
hour west of Little Rock. Middleton was also known to have flown on Epstein's jet several times, the Lolita Express.
Middleton was forced out of the White House in 1995 after being accused of setting himself up as an international
dealmaker. In 1996, there was an investigation by the White House which found Middleton had abused his access to
impress business clients and he was barred from the executive mansion without senior approval. And then we
have Jean Luke Brunell, Jeffrey Epstein's French modeling atache,
friend, whatever you want to call him. John Luke was found dead in his Paris prison cell in February of 2020, where
he had been since December of 2020 on charges of raping children. Brunell, much like Epstein, was allegedly caught
multiple times after having tried to take his own life, but was not as successful until February 19th of 2022
when guards entered his cell to find him hanging, and I can't make this up, via bed sheets from the top shelf of his
bunk. And I imagine it was darn near identical to how Epstein had met his end as well. I think the similarities to how
Epstein met his end in this case speak for themselves. Naturally, French investigators researched the topic and
came to the conclusion that there was definitely no connection to Epstein and Brunell took his own life. Virginia said
that Brunell had used her as a sex slave and forced her to have sex with well-known politicians and businessmen.
And if this doesn't make you sick, Brunell's lawyers state that he was not guided by guilt, but by a profound sense
of injustice, meaning that he was the one that was being done injustice after raping kids, and that he was innocent on
all charges. Thomas Bowers, a former Deutsch Bank executive, hanged himself at his Malibu home in November 2019 at
the age of 55. Bowowers was the head of the Deutsch Bank's wealth management division until 2015. Deutsch's
relationship with Epstein, which lasted for 5 years from 2013 to 2018, was the focus of many of the lawsuits after his
death. In 2020, Deutsch Bank agreed to pay over $150 million to New York
regulators to settle allegations that they had overlooked suspicious transactions linked to Epstein. Now, I'm going to add a little color here. They
did not overlook. It is well known that Deutschbank knew exactly what this money was being traded for. And I think that this fellow's life allegedly having been
taken at his own hand is even further evidence that Deutschbank and many of the people who worked there knew what Epstein was doing well in advance of it
becoming mainstream media. And they absolutely could have stopped it or slowed it down but chose not to.
Deutschbank made a statement that says, "We acknowledge our error in onboarding Epstein in 2013 and the weaknesses in
our processes and have learned from our mistakes and shortcomings." a Deutsch Bank spokesman said at that time. The
bank has also reached a $75 million settlement with victims of Epstein in 2023. They did not acknowledge any
wrongdoing though as part of the settlement and it does continue to get worse. Bowers had three children who are not only fatherless but also motherless
after she randomly and mysteriously perished in April of 2017. Now, I feel
as though we can fill in what the random might have been in that and that it's not so mysterious considering that
Epstein and Co. would have ensured that anyone who wanted to talk about what was going on would have been silenced. And I also imagine that Bowers might have
tried to come out with this too, racked with guilt over the death of his wife, and he too had himself hanged. You know
what? I'm a little angry about all of this that he's gotten away with it. So, let's continue down this list of all the
other people who are linked to Epstein and his money or knew him very well personally, who are now dead, allegedly
by their own hand. Steven Hoffenberger, Epstein's mentor, who served 18 years in prison for running a massive Ponzi
scheme. I stole over $500 million worth of people's money, had a huge conversion to Christianity during his time in
prison. God bless. And following his release, he claimed to be seeking amends with all the victims of Epstein. And he
was the guy who would have known more about Epste than possibly anybody, having trained him in his methods for scamming people. Although he, as far as
we're aware, was not involved in the child trafficking process. Hoffenburgger was serious about this and he began reaching out to victims of Epstein and
was trying to make amends with them seriously as hard as he could, including giving money and helping them get back on their feet. One such woman was Maria
Farmer who reported that she and Hoffenberg had become friends of all things. Intriguingly though,
Hoffenberger was found dead at his apartment in Derby, Connecticut on August the 23rd of 2022 at the age of
77. And of all people, Maria Farmer was the one who called in to the police to check on Hoffenberger after she couldn't
get on the phone with him for the week before. In many ways, it's sweet that he was able to make a positive impact on these women's lives, but it does not
change the fact that his body was in an advanced state of decomposition, according to the police. And it was estimated that he'd been dead for about
a week at that point. In addition to Virginia Guy, there were two other sex slaves of Epstein named Carolyn Andiano,
who was 36 years old, and Lelay Sky Patrick, who was 29. They both died of alleged drug overdoses, one in May of
2023, and the other also in May of 2017. And once again, here we go. Oh, Epstein's exler, Alfredo Rodriguez, who
is the reason we have Epstein's black book because he sold it to an undercover FBI agent after stealing it, died in
prison of messyloma, allegedly. Seems like a fat chance of that happening. In addition to this, two of Epstein's
attorneys have passed away. One was Kennar in September of 2022 at the age of 76 due to a surgical complication and
a man named Roy Black who died at the age of 80 just last month. Joe Ricari, the Palm Beach police detective who led
the FC investigation initially and pushed officials for justice hard, died May 25th of 2018 after a very short
illness. He was 50. Marvin Minsky, the MIT artificial intelligence pioneer and named in Virginia Jeffree Epstein
allegations, suffered a fatal cerebral hemorrhage in January of 2016 at the age of 88. While Ronald R. Epinger Senior,
who was a Miami pimp, was allegedly the first to traffic Guy, died at the age of 80 in November of 2006. Two
investigative journalists who had been chasing Epstein in the scandal also met their end. Former NYP detective and
Epstein book author named John Connelly passed away in January of 2022 at the age of 78. Additionally, in May of 2016,
seems like a lot of these happened in May, celebrity photographer Wendy Lei had her body discovered by the police
under under her London balcony, and police have still referred to it as a although I'm not quite sure how that
could happen. At the time of her demise, she was 65 years old. Steve Bing, 55-year-old movie producer, fell from
the fell from the 27th floor of his LA apartment building in June of 2020.
Guess the conversation he just had with the FBI. You'd be correct. He had just been speaking to the FBI about Jeffrey
Abstein and what he was up to. Bill Richardson, another New Mexico governor friend of Apstein's, died in his sleep
in September of 2023, the age of 75. Many of these deaths may be newer within the past decade, but it goes a lot
further back than that, and I'm sure we could find even more evidence. We all know that Les Wexner hired Epste on to
manage everything for him financially speaking, which is not suspicious whatsoever. But you might not know that even before that, there was someone else
who had been in a similar position to Epstein that was in charge of managing a lot of Wexner's assets, but also in charge of some of his business
operations. In March of 1985, this man was gunned down shortly after being
questioned by the IRS about illegal tax shelters, which is very interesting considering that Epstein's job was
allegedly at Bear Sterns to be the guy who would help the ultra wealthy pay as little taxes as possible. And now, as we
said today, the most important accomplice at Jeffrey Epstein, Eane Maxwell, sits behind bars in prison. And
I just want you to think based on the track record, what's probably going to happen to her is a of some kind. Now,
whether or not that's staged is up to you. But I do think that without a doubt, we have most certainly proven that Epste did not take his own life.
Epste is certainly alive and that Epstein is a threat to anyone and everyone who was around him. And that's
why the ultra powerful, wealthy, and the celebrities have maintained silence on the topic. And to this day, the media
continues to push the narrative that Epstein did die in that prison cell and that we should not look any further. That being said, thank you guys so so
much for watching. I did say I'd give you my theories about where he is, but I kind of did that in the video. I think it's obvious he's either in Israel or
right back in his normal properties, just under a different name. Possibly some cosmetic surgery, which has
happened before for powerful people. Restarting whatever he's doing before. Um, whatever you want to believe. Um, according to our government though, he
wasn't doing anything. He was working alone. So, he's just a weirdo, right? I love life. I'm really grateful for all
the support you guys are giving on the channel. Don't like to walk near the edges of buildings. I don't keep any power cord in the house. I know how to
swim. Um, my heart is in good condition. Um, if I disappear, I didn't just walk
into the woods one day and decide to leave. But um and if you guys don't hear from me for a week, well then something
really really really bad has happened. Once again guys, I I really appreciate everything you're doing. Thank you so so
much. It means the world. This channel's growing like crazy. It's so much fun hanging out with you guys streaming.
Hope you guys like this video. I know it was a lot. Um but I think it was I think it's something that needed to happen.
Someone's got to talk about it, guys. This this doesn't make any sense. Like this doesn't make any sense that we're letting this happen at this point. So
hopefully we can change it. I do really feel bad for all the victims and I really hope this can bring some some
more information to light for you guys. It's going to be my last Epstein video unless this gets like half a million
views in the first week. I'm never talking about him again. So tired. Um
but we're on to really really cool stuff after this. So thank you guys again. To each and every one of you means the
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